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landmark:
when PH accepted PV, i believe all PV are >2km, so as to ensure fairness to this gp when it comes to registering. But along the way for some reasons some PV chose to shift near to the school, (<1km), which made them have an upper hand in the event if balloting needs to be conducted in 2B. In any case that sounds like a good calculated move, as if they are not successful in 2B, they still can go for 2c ballotin, hence have 2 bites of the pie.


For this gp of PV, I question their conscience with respect to the upper hand that they have created for themselves in phase 2B, as their proximity advantage earned them a almost \"riskless\" place in 2B as compared to other PV who do not shift near to PH upon accepted as PV. These PV need to be reminded that if they were to stay <1km and have applied to be a PV in the 1st place, they would have been turned down..

i hardly see all these as divine intervention as one loudly proclaimed in this thread, more likely is hand of man disgusied to be believed to be \"hand of god\"

Nevertheless, God is fair, you get away this time, you will have to pay back big next time

am going to bring this \"loophole\" to the relevant authority's notice to see if anything can be done to rectify in the spirit of fairness to all participants.
that's a very bitter first post...there is nothing wrong with moving within 1km 2 secure a higher chance for your kids.

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LKVM:
sleepy:

My gosh, 6 schools need to ballot even within 1 km :!:


Yes too terrible :stupid:

probably caused by more roots of the grass and church / clan members ....??

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226403https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226403Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:15:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All About Fairness of PV on Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:12:05 GMT]]>So poor thing all those who do PV for these 6 schools and stay >1km away…

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226397https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226397Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:12:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All About Fairness of PV on Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:58:58 GMT]]>My gosh, 6 schools need to ballot even within 1 km :!:

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toddles:
KSP:

Let's not forget landmark the person who brought this All About Fairness of PV topic up. Pei Hwa Presbyterian Primary School should be conducting balloting today. Let's hope landmark is successful in the balloting.


I guess it depends whether the number who stay within 2km exceed the number of places. if so, then those outside 2km (which includes landmark) don't even need to ballot liao.

haiz. our system is harsh.

Balloting for Pei Hwa Presbyterian Primary School for outside 2km in 2B

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KSP:
Let's not forget landmark the person who brought this All About Fairness of PV topic up. Pei Hwa Presbyterian Primary School should be conducting balloting today. Let's hope landmark is successful in the balloting.

I guess it depends whether the number who stay within 2km exceed the number of places. if so, then those outside 2km (which includes landmark) don't even need to ballot liao.

haiz. our system is harsh.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226290https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226290Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:03:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All About Fairness of PV on Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:03:08 GMT]]>

Daddy 😧
verykiasu2010:

[quote=\"KSP\"]
I know some rich people just buy the house nearby the school just to use the address for registration and never stay there.

that must be you 🙂 how come you \"cheat\" like that ?? not fair !! lol

Haha! If I rich... I also buy a few houses near the popular schs... then just collect rental from KSP parents... :)[/quote]You're are right on, man!!! U definitely can rent out to KSP parents here and demand will be high.

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Scary:
Of course not offended. We are here to share our opinions.


Just that for my area, it's not a joke to walk 15 mins up and down slope carrying school bags, especially during rainy days!! Furthermore, one side of the road has no pavement to walk and the area is only 2 lanes for vehicles, 1 for each direction. If Ah Ma or Ah Gong brings, I think will need at least 30 mins.

If MOE can draw a line for those <1km and 1-2km, definitely they can do the same for <500m and 500-1km. Just bring house deed or tenancy agreement (for rental) with the date can liao. We also need to submit a stack of documents when we apply for certain things (e.g. jobs, housings). I heard that's it's stated somewhere that one will have to live in the address used for registration for the full 6 yrs. Not many will do this especially those rental cases. Thus, instead of this, why don't MOE consider something like \"must stay in the registered rental address for a yr before registration\". Just like for PV or RC member, there are also criteria to be met.

Was just suggesting if really want to based on proximity, why not do it <500m as it makes more sense especially when the school is within a housing estate and there are many schools in the estate. The kids can simply just walk over and don't have to incur transport cost. Imagine, there are 2 schools. One is 200m away and the other one is 900m away. It's logical to go to the school that is 200m away right? Incurring tpt cost may not be a big deal for rich people, but for some others, it means a lot to them. In this case, of course if demand more than supply, one got to ren4 ming4. However, I would say that the chances to ballot are very slim.
Hmm... i suppose if one stays 200m next to a not so popular school, and 800m next to a very popular school, one would be happy that all are considered within 1km... :lol:

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verykiasu2010:
KSP:

[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]no true must stay in the same address of P1 registration for the full six years


i moved house

I know some rich people just buy the house nearby the school just to use the address for registration and never stay there.

that must be you 🙂 how come you \"cheat\" like that ?? not fair !! lol[/quote]Haha! If I rich... I also buy a few houses near the popular schs... then just collect rental from KSP parents... 🙂

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226286https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226286Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:00:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All About Fairness of PV on Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:58:56 GMT]]>

verykiasu2010:
KSP:

[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]no true must stay in the same address of P1 registration for the full six years


i moved house

I know some rich people just buy the house nearby the school just to use the address for registration and never stay there.

that must be you 🙂 how come you \"cheat\" like that ?? not fair !! lol[/quote]First I want to :spank:, :pokeeye: , :heresmyfish: & :torchme: verykiasu2010.

But really, how I wish I could do that. :imcool: :boogie:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226283https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226283Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:58:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All About Fairness of PV on Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:57:01 GMT]]>

Scary:
verykiasu,

I heard it somewhere but didn't verify it as I don't think this is practical cos that means a lot cannot move house.
yalor, hearsay sometimes lacking in common sense

schools / MOE cannot prevent people from moving house for whatever reason. as long as the address used at P1 registration is genuine and not fake should be fine

people who worry too much may be ...........

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226280https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226280Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:57:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All About Fairness of PV on Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:54:02 GMT]]>verykiasu,

I heard it somewhere but didn’t verify it as I don’t think this is practical cos that means a lot cannot move house.

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KSP:
verykiasu2010:

no true must stay in the same address of P1 registration for the full six years


i moved house

I know some rich people just buy the house nearby the school just to use the address for registration and never stay there.

that must be you 🙂 how come you \"cheat\" like that ?? not fair !! lol

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226274https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226274Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:52:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All About Fairness of PV on Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:48:27 GMT]]>

verykiasu2010:
no true must stay in the same address of P1 registration for the full six years


i moved house
I know some rich people bought the house nearby the school just to use the address for registration and never stay there.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226271https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226271Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:48:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All About Fairness of PV on Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:45:42 GMT]]>no true must stay in the same address of P1 registration for the full six years


i moved house

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226269https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226269Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:45:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All About Fairness of PV on Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:45:42 GMT]]>Let's not forget landmark the person who brought this All About Fairness of PV topic up. Pei Hwa Presbyterian Primary School should be conducting balloting today. Let's hope landmark is successful in the balloting.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226268https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226268Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:45:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All About Fairness of PV on Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:42:36 GMT]]>Of course not offended. We are here to share our opinions.


Just that for my area, it’s not a joke to walk 15 mins up and down slope carrying school bags, especially during rainy days!! Furthermore, one side of the road has no pavement to walk and the area is only 2 lanes for vehicles, 1 for each direction. If Ah Ma or Ah Gong brings, I think will need at least 30 mins.

If MOE can draw a line for those <1km and 1-2km, definitely they can do the same for <500m and 500-1km. Just bring house deed or tenancy agreement (for rental) with the date can liao. We also need to submit a stack of documents when we apply for certain things (e.g. jobs, housings). I heard that’s it’s stated somewhere that one will have to live in the address used for registration for the full 6 yrs. Not many will do this especially those rental cases. Thus, instead of this, why don’t MOE consider something like "must stay in the registered rental address for a yr before registration". Just like for PV or RC member, there are also criteria to be met.

Was just suggesting if really want to based on proximity, why not do it <500m as it makes more sense especially when the school is within a housing estate and there are many schools in the estate. The kids can simply just walk over and don’t have to incur transport cost. Imagine, there are 2 schools. One is 200m away and the other one is 900m away. It’s logical to go to the school that is 200m away right? Incurring tpt cost may not be a big deal for rich people, but for some others, it means a lot to them. In this case, of course if demand more than supply, one got to ren4 ming4. However, I would say that the chances to ballot are very slim.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226262https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/226262Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:42:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to All About Fairness of PV on Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:23:13 GMT]]>

Scary:

So, maybe MOE should consider changing the priorities to within 500m, 500-1km, etc since pple who live out of 500m most prob will need to take some form of transport and these pple may be closer to another school.
For me, I think MOE should consider adding 1 or 2 more categories after 2km. There is a lot of difference if you are 3 km vs 10 km away.

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KSP:
verykiasu2010:

but another nightmare : distance to which part of the school ? which part of the perimeter fence ? or right up to the centre of the principal's office ....imagine some big big primary school with huge compound ......distance between home and school is a real headache..


:rotflmao:

They measure from the main gate no matter how big the school is.

hmmm ... I do believe TNS measure the distance using the centre of the school.

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foreverj:

based on wat u mention, sometimes there may be cases of homes within 500m of school if u draw a straight line on the map, but based on the actual roads to the sch, the travelling distance may be longer. so end up should measure based on travelling distance or shortest dist bet the home and school?
well, one may stay in a location where the path to school is obstructed by a hill; in that case it's not a true 1km. Then how? every year the school staff got to walk from the home to the school and see if it's within 1km! :!: :!:

These things are interesting to think about, but may that not be a reality.

and travelling time depends on speed. if grandma brings, maybe walk very slowly....who's going to be the arbiter.

'As the crow flies' method got its issue, but it's the easiest to check.

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verykiasu2010:
but another nightmare : distance to which part of the school ? which part of the perimeter fence ? or right up to the centre of the principal's office ....imagine some big big primary school with huge compound ......distance between home and school is a real headache..


:rotflmao:
They measure from the main gate no matter how big the school is.

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Scary:
As for PV for PH, don't think they are like some other schools. Priorities given to within 1km. They do take in PV > 2km but we don't know what's the ratio. At least it gives some hope and chance to this group of people.


Now, we can only pray that no balloting required for within 1km. Otherwise, isn't it going against MOE's rules(priorities)?
don't think it's going against MOE's rules leh... if there are 30 places and 40 applicants living within 1km, then all gotta ballot lor... what to do? a demand-supply and residential density thing...

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Scary:
As for PV for PH, don't think they are like some other schools. Priorities given to within 1km. They do take in PV > 2km but we don't know what's the ratio. At least it gives some hope and chance to this group of people.


Now, we can only pray that no balloting required for within 1km. Otherwise, isn't it going against MOE's rules(priorities)?
don't think it's going against MOE's rules leh... if there are 30 places and 40 applicants living within 1km, then all gotta ballot lor... what to do? a demand-supply and residential density thing...

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verykiasu2010:
i do envisage chaos with HDB flats going up to 50 storeys


hence, if going by 500 metres rule, then it should count the vertical distance of the apartment unit to the ground floor too, then add on the horizontal travelling distance, to determine accurately the distance

but another nightmare : distance to which part of the school ? which part of the perimeter fence ? or right up to the centre of the principal's office ....imagine some big big primary school with huge compound ......distance between home and school is a real headache..

:rotflmao:
vk2010, you very bad leh. Today is P2B balloting so mood is solemn already but you still cracking jokes. But your joke is quite funny :laugh:

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Scary:
.... By foot, is 15 mins walk up and down slope. We had tried and by the time we reached the school, we are perspiring heavily. ....


On the positive side, in no time, your child will be physically fit. 😄

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