KTKLN for indo maid?

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Fri, 16 Dec 2016 19:21:23 GMT

Mommypea — Fri, 16 Dec 2016 19:21:23 GMT

Hi, I need urgent advice here please.

Being a first-time (and blur) employer, I sent my helper back for her home leave without applying for home leave at the embassy or renewing her KTKLN card. I even forgot to return her the WP slaps forehead.

She stays in the rural areas of Sumbawa so travelling to the KTKLN offices in the cities may be a little too taxing. Can Rini or anyone with similar experience advise what should I do next or get ready before DHL-ing her WP and documents (that I can do on my end in Singapore)?

I really hope she doesn’t get stuck on the way back to Singapore. Sigh. Should have done my homework thoroughly. Thanks ladies for your advice in advance!

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Tue, 10 May 2016 10:07:44 GMT

wishes — Tue, 10 May 2016 10:07:44 GMT

If im not wrong, my maid mention 3 days before, 3 days after. She called her indo agent to confirm as she is leaving for the holidays. Told her MUST get the card

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Tue, 10 May 2016 06:46:43 GMT

dragonmummy — Tue, 10 May 2016 06:46:43 GMT

anyone knows when will the hair raya holiday starts in Indonesia?

My helper is going back for her home leave during hari raya and she needs to get renew her KTKLN card. Not sure when will their office be closed. Online also no info.

Can we apply the card via online?

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Mon, 09 May 2016 01:14:05 GMT

Imp75 — Mon, 09 May 2016 01:14:05 GMT

hi Star89

Yes to both

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Mon, 09 May 2016 00:52:12 GMT

star89 — Mon, 09 May 2016 00:52:12 GMT

I plan to bring my maid to Indonesia for holiday with us. My maid has been working for 1 year with us. I know that it is required to have a KTKLN for her to return back to Singapore from Indonesia.

1. Anybody knows whether her contract need to be attested by Indonesian Embassy for KTKLN application in Indonesia?

2. Is it still required to endorse with Singapore address at the back of her passport?

Thanks.

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:09:32 GMT

janet88 — Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:09:32 GMT

rini803:
My worse was getting clothes bleached and smoking in my home.

I feel u....

Thank goodness i don't need any more maid...I hope it stays this way...my kids refuse to have a stranger in the house. I refuse to pay so much money every month to put up with a stubborn person.

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Fri, 13 Nov 2015 05:04:07 GMT

rini803 — Fri, 13 Nov 2015 05:04:07 GMT

My worse was getting clothes bleached and smoking in my home.

I feel u…

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Fri, 13 Nov 2015 03:28:49 GMT

janet88 — Fri, 13 Nov 2015 03:28:49 GMT

rini803:
I soooo definitely agree with u...

It works both ways oso. There are also incidences where some employers get good helpers but don't appreciate them (I read at the other forum about full time helpers). When the helper run to another employer yet stick to that employer, you blame it on the helper and employer but not themself. So most of the time, engaging a helper is really down to luck. If u get the best of it, then cherish it. If you don't get a good one, it's just \"dumb luck\".

when we get maids with sickening attitude problem, we envy those employers who get good ones. I've heard of some employers who scold the maids so loudly and yet the maids still so obedient...back then when I told my maid not to do something firmly, I see black face and hear my cutlery thrown into the sink.

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Thu, 12 Nov 2015 13:39:47 GMT

rini803 — Thu, 12 Nov 2015 13:39:47 GMT

I soooo definitely agree with u…

It works both ways oso. There are also incidences where some employers get good helpers but don’t appreciate them (I read at the other forum about full time helpers). When the helper run to another employer yet stick to that employer, you blame it on the helper and employer but not themself. So most of the time, engaging a helper is really down to luck. If u get the best of it, then cherish it. If you don’t get a good one, it’s just "dumb luck".

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Thu, 12 Nov 2015 12:45:14 GMT

janet88 — Thu, 12 Nov 2015 12:45:14 GMT

rini803:
Yeah.. I read about the pay raise. The new P is just looking out for his ppl, but what he didn't realise not all his ppl are quality working ppl that we can send home when they are not performing. Here in sg, when u don't perform u are forced to resign, when helpers don't perform, some employers are stuck with them or face losses with agencies when returned back. They should also consider what happens for us too... Both ways... we have to abide by that, what can they guarantee us then?

Yes, Thank GOD for me that I don't face that anymore. But its just a thought for some of my friends who actually go through that.

their new president wants to help the women get higher pay. unfortunately there is no quality in the new maids who arrive here. by the time these new maids get some experience learning to cook, do housework and being able to be left alone, it is almost 1 year and they think they are very smart and attempt to springboard for HK/Taiwan.
employers are always on the losing end when maids develop an attitude and want to change employer.

can the P guarantee that a higher pay for the women who come out his country to Singapore to be domestic workers provide better quality? of course, there is also no guarantee that Filipino helpers can work.

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Thu, 12 Nov 2015 12:25:38 GMT

rini803 — Thu, 12 Nov 2015 12:25:38 GMT

Yeah… I read about the pay raise. The new P is just looking out for his ppl, but what he didn’t realise not all his ppl are quality working ppl that we can send home when they are not performing. Here in sg, when u don’t perform u are forced to resign, when helpers don’t perform, some employers are stuck with them or face losses with agencies when returned back. They should also consider what happens for us too… Both ways… we have to abide by that, what can they guarantee us then?

Yes, Thank GOD for me that I don’t face that anymore. But its just a thought for some of my friends who actually go through that.

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:15:44 GMT

janet88 — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:15:44 GMT

Indonesian maids will cost more from next year…increment from $500 to $550. Last September, it was increased to $500. Pay increments are really steep.

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Wed, 04 Nov 2015 08:25:38 GMT

rini803 — Wed, 04 Nov 2015 08:25:38 GMT

Amberglades:
Anyone knows whether Indonesia has abolished the KTKLN requirement? My Indon helper going for home leave in Dec15 but she doesn't want to apply for the KTKLN. I am worried that she cannot return

If she is confident enough to go thru the immigration, shouldn't be a problem. You cannot be mumbling or stutter wjen was asked a question. Like I mentioned before, sometimes it's all by luck... Helpers do not want to do the KTKLN coz it's pricey in their country and the process is really hectic... That's what my 1st helper told me. 1st helper comes in thru Surabaya. 2nd helper (my mum helper) is thru Batam.

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Wed, 04 Nov 2015 08:20:36 GMT

rini803 — Wed, 04 Nov 2015 08:20:36 GMT

Hi All,

Recently I took another Helper, a relative friend, to come work for my parents as their helper. This is the recent update since the last changes to the ruling of the new P.

1) Yes Indonesian Embassy strictly do not allow us Singaporean to direct hire a helper. That's because in their perspective, there is no one to look out for the helper if anything were to go wrong. If they are attached to an agency, with or without loan, at any point, the helper can choose to go to the agency again to settle any disputes.

2) The contracts I have is only useful if you are letting the helper to travel thru major airports like Juanda Airport in Surabaya. This method I used during hire of my 1st helper. The contracts are used as KTKLN card application. (For those who are unsure, KTKLN is like a work permit to allow Indo citizen to work overseas and the KTKLN is inclusive of insurance.

3) Recently, I actually took another Helper but I was trying out to see if I could let her go through Batam (This method was tried by other employers. Some made it thru some did not.) This method clearly does not guarantee but I went to try another way.

3A) While I was on a trip to Batam, I met with an aquaintance. He offered me to bring and handle the helper. The cost is SG $500. I had to handle the IPA Application and insurance, flight from their home to Batam (domestic flight is much much cheaper than travelling into sg straight). This $500, it will include transportation from Batam Airport to ferry teminal, ferry ticket and all others (I not sure what is the others but I am sure it must be \"tipping\" the \"gatemaster\"). All that is required is an email of the IPA and insurance sent to him plus flight details and name of helper for him to arrange pick up at airport. This method got thru and the helper is now with me.

If u ask me, do I trust the guy? 1st ly he got my helper thru. So that's good news. 2nd ly his guarantee was transfer when ur helper is at the batam ctr ferry terminal and not before or after. I am at constant contact with the helper so it was assuring that way. That time I was thinking, I rather risk $500 then to pay 4k to the agency who gets things done what I could. So since it worked, might as well I share it to the employers. Anyway the aquaintance has a Singapore number (contactable only thru whatsapp) and Singapore account. So that's another reason why I went ahead with the process.

For us all, Singapore is very transparent but in Indonesia, the law is still very vague. Information use at ur own discretion... I am not liable in any ways or any contents that is used by others.

I am still contactable at rini803@yahoo.com but I will reply at my own time as I am a wife, working mother of 4 and a student. You may email me your contact no and I will reply you den. Also can that way I can answer your questions more efficiently. Thank u and good luck.. :xedfingers:

P.S. pls dun ask if I am an agent coz I really am NOT. I do my study (read up, calls and ask the other helpers) and really find out all this info. I have to save the money for my kids than give to the agency for something I can do myself. :thankyou:

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Thu, 01 Oct 2015 05:44:36 GMT

Amberglades — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 05:44:36 GMT

Anyone knows whether Indonesia has abolished the KTKLN requirement? My Indon helper going for home leave in Dec15 but she doesn’t want to apply for the KTKLN. I am worried that she cannot return

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Sat, 15 Aug 2015 12:43:07 GMT

dimension — Sat, 15 Aug 2015 12:43:07 GMT

kendrick272, wondering if in the end umanaged to get an answer to your query in the earlier post?

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Wed, 29 Jul 2015 07:24:22 GMT

kendrick272 — Wed, 29 Jul 2015 07:24:22 GMT

I just called the embassy today and the officer told me that we are not allowed to hire FDW on our own. We have to go through agents.

Anyone knows about this?

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Tue, 28 Jul 2015 20:00:19 GMT

Singlemind — Tue, 28 Jul 2015 20:00:19 GMT

Hi anyone got transfer maid or your maid friends want to work in SG?

Seriously looking for a non-attitude and honest maid.
Pls share if have.
Thanks u

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Tue, 28 Jul 2015 06:01:34 GMT

kendrick272 — Tue, 28 Jul 2015 06:01:34 GMT

Hi Rini!

I have some questions.

I have a FDW who previously worked for us. Now i want to re-employ her and i have the approval letter from MOM.

What is the next step? Go to the embassy and get the work agreement?

What about the KTKLN that i never heard of. How do i apply?

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Tue, 07 Jul 2015 06:32:52 GMT

labbit — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 06:32:52 GMT

Hi rini803,

Thanks for the prompt reply. You mention getting the embassy write a proper contract, is that means the work agreement which my maid and my mum have to go down to the embassy and sign it one ?

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Tue, 07 Jul 2015 06:29:08 GMT

rini803 — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 06:29:08 GMT

Yes, usually helpers who comes into SG do not have KTKLN as they went through the "backdoor" of the immigration. These syndicates been around very long to cut costs. That is why it is possible that happening.

There is very high chance she might not get her KTKLN card there since now the president stops all helpes from working overseas unless u get the official letter from Embassy Indo in Singapore. The embassy will write a proper contract between you and your helper, this official way guarantees her KTKLN card approved and exit from Indo.

Else there is always, "take the risk method". If this way, whether she knows how to handle the immigration or not.

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Tue, 07 Jul 2015 03:54:12 GMT

labbit — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 03:54:12 GMT

Hi,

I need help here. My mum’s maid work permit is due soon (after 2 years) and we have negotiate for her to extend another 1 more year. She will be going back in August for 2 weeks break. Only today when i speak to her about renewing the KTKLN then i realize she didn’t have this KTKLN card, how is that possible ? And now if i were to ask her to get the KTKLN card in Indo, will she get into trouble and not able to get her KTKLN card ? Or if without the KTKLN card, can she come back to singapore to work ?

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Wed, 24 Jun 2015 18:09:50 GMT

rini803 — Wed, 24 Jun 2015 18:09:50 GMT

It’s quite interesting to know that the "working contract" officially from Indonesia embassy in Sg will cause a hold up at the airport.

Quote "So here is the problem : as we can see from the sharing of experience by some mummies here in this thread and others. If you have got the "working contract" done from Indonesia Embassy here for your maid to make a KTKLN back home in Indonesia and she shows the KTKLN to the immigration officer then she may get stuck over at the airport? "
I may be wrong but to my knowledge and shared experiences from other employers, there has been never a case of held up with a valid KTKLN at the airport. This is to my knowledge, if the "working contract" done by the embassy, they have an official stamp to indicate that this contract is legit and agreed upon by both employer and employee.
Quote "If the immigration officer ask "Who is your PT? " and the maid say "I don’t follow PT, my Singapore employer do everything herself " and the immigration officer say "This is illegal , our Government say can not direct-hire without PT agent!" Then what would happen to the maid there and ourselves over here?"
If it is illegal at the first place, the Indonesia Embassy here would not have certify the "working contact". If it was considered illegal claimed by the immigration, than its the issue between the immigration and embassy. That is why it is always encourage to have a copy of all working contract.

Immigration cannot hold back with a valid KTKLN but on the other hand, immigration will likely take advantage of those without. Only then they will use the "where’s ur PT" card.
Yes, KTKLN is used to track the helpers while working overseas. Those without and goes through immigration with the PT agents are the ones actually to be careful of. Indonesia Embassy in Singapore is very helpful if any of their citizens in Singapore is being abused in anyways. I know because I helped a couple of Helpers.
My mum speaks fluent javanese, I didn’t have that skill… Helpers from her neighbourhood will come forth if they are being abused. But we don’t get ourselves involved unless it’s pretty obvious.

So the usual main concern is how to get the official KTKLN. And to get the KTKLN, you need a contract. So the held up is usually at the KTKLN office not at the airport. And the "negotiations" is usually done at the KTKLN office. Which should take place a few days/weeks before the flight.

If any of my info is inaccurate, I truly apologise. Coz I am only sharing what I been thru and what people shared with me. Thank you

Reply to KTKLN for indo maid? on Wed, 17 Jun 2015 01:09:00 GMT

rini803 — Wed, 17 Jun 2015 01:09:00 GMT

To add on, yes even myself as a malay do have issues communicating with them. But I have seen also chinese and malay employers engaging myanmar helpers. Either way communication is still the barrier. You may eventually take the time to find a way to communicate if u really want to save that extra cash. For myself, every single savings count with 4 kids, although both of us are werking.

I have ever suggested a Chinese fren to use Google translate… mostly worked. Sometimes Google translate can come out weird… Although I am malay, I teach my helper English and actually got her an ipad (with massive site blocks and returned after she finish her contract) so that she can surf. Some articles are in English and I taught her how to use Google translate app.