concern2:

ksi:

Hmmm....this is the latest news from the Defence minister clarifying on the PR's sons' NS status, they heard our confusion over this.... :evil:


http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20120701-356519.html


...Minister Ng also said that he received letter letters from families who say they have been separated because NS-liable PRs chose not to complete their duty.

Thanks for the update, ksi!

I don't quite understand what is meant by the sentence in bold above. :scratchhead:

verykiasu2010:

tigermum:

his son may not be able to change citizenship because singapore does not allow dual citizenship and he needs to renounce his singapore citizenship before he is allowed to take up another citizenship. his new host country may not bother whether he renounces his singapore citizenship or not, but singapore won't allow. the moment he steps into singapore embassy overseas, he will be told he can't renounce unless and until he serves his ns. at the end, he just remain stateless

Do u mean that he cannot renounce his citizenship at the age of 21?

limlim:

concern2:

[quote=\"ksi\"]Hmmm....this is the latest news from the Defence minister clarifying on the PR's sons' NS status, they heard our confusion over this.... :evil:


http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20120701-356519.html


...Minister Ng also said that he received letter letters from families who say they have been separated because NS-liable PRs chose not to complete their duty.

Thanks for the update, ksi!

I don't quite understand what is meant by the sentence in bold above. :scratchhead:

concern2:

ksi:

Hmmm....this is the latest news from the Defence minister clarifying on the PR's sons' NS status, they heard our confusion over this.... :evil:


http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20120701-356519.html


...Minister Ng also said that he received letter letters from families who say they have been separated because NS-liable PRs chose not to complete their duty.

Thanks for the update, ksi!

I don't quite understand what is meant by the sentence in bold above. :scratchhead:

ksi:

Hmmm....this is the latest news from the Defence minister clarifying on the PR's sons' NS status, they heard our confusion over this.... :evil:


http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20120701-356519.html


...Minister Ng also said that he received letter letters from families who say they have been separated because NS-liable PRs chose not to complete their duty.

ksi:

Hmmm....this is the latest news from the Defence minister clarifying on the PR's sons' NS status, they heard our confusion over this.... :evil:


http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20120701-356519.html

AsiaOne
Sunday, Jul 01, 2012

SINGAPORE - Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen reiterated that sons of permanent residents (PRs) have to complete national service (NS) in order to keep PR status.

Speaking to the Straits Times, Minister Ng said that first-generation PRs are exempted from NS, but have to be aware that their sons have to complete the duty if they apply for PR status for their children.
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\"The basic message to permanent residents is this: If you want to take up permanent residency for your children, please do so recognizing that they have to do NS as a duty and there will be a course if you don't.

\"So, it's better not to take up PR if your children are not going to do NS,\" he said.

Addressing concerns about NS-liable PRs renouncing their residency before serving NS, Dr Ng added that second-generation PRs face harsh penalties if they choose not to fulfill their two years and give up their PR status.

Minister Ng's comments come as an ongoing debate takes place about the need for more punitive measures to make second-generation PRs serve the military stint, including imposing a security bond on their parents, to be forfeited if the sons do not go through NS.

Dr Ng said that current measures in place are already harsher than that.

According to RazorTV, 8,800 male foreigners who became PRs under the sponsorship of their parents over the last five years enlisted in NS.

However, another 4,200 renounced their PR status prior to serving NS.

According to Colonel Kenneth Liow, second-generation PRs' failure to serve NS will be taken into account when they apply to study or work in Singapore in the future, said in a letter to The Straits Times forum.

Minister Ng also said that he received letter letters from families who say they have been separated because NS-liable PRs chose not to complete their duty.

Dr Ng, however, pointed out that Singapore has to enforce the NS policy to send a clear signal that NS duty must be fulfilled, despite the difficulties.

tigermum:

his son may not be able to change citizenship because singapore does not allow dual citizenship and he needs to renounce his singapore citizenship before he is allowed to take up another citizenship. his new host country may not bother whether he renounces his singapore citizenship or not, but singapore won't allow. the moment he steps into singapore embassy overseas, he will be told he can't renounce unless and until he serves his ns. at the end, he just remain stateless

Steadyberry:

According to his father as long as his ds stays away fr sg, he is fine. He has settled down in nz, has a job and can stay in nz forever since he has chg his citizenship. Dun think he informed sg embassy formally n the new host country wont bother to chk since nz allows dual citizenship. After so many yrs, his sg passport should hv expired by now n he needs to get his NZ PR transferred to a new passport. Sg embassy won't issue him a new passport and continue to let him \"hide\" in nz. So pretty sure he has applied for a nz passport. sg citizen or sg PR, staying in sg or overseas, u will need to serve ns for sure.

Steadyberry:

verykiasu2010:

[quote=\"concern2\"]

Does this mean that the son of a parent with a Singapore PR status, even if he is living in other countries (e.g. US), has to come back at the age of 16 to register for NS?

if the son of the SGP PR is also a PR, this PR son (born in SGP) must come back to SGP to serve NS regardless where he stays. By law. No excuse

nansk:

limlim:

The point is just that the PR boy is fully capable of depriving another citizen of a place in the Pri Sch.

That is an odd thought. PRs are long-term residents in Sg; 5-10 years at the very least. They work, pay taxes, contribute to keep the economy running. The idea that they are 'depriving' a citizen of anything is narrow-minded and unfair.

In any case, this thread has gone way off-topic. I am not going to participate in this discussion anymore. Whatever your thoughts are on this matter, please keep them to yourself.

verykiasu2010:

concern2:

Does this mean that the son of a parent with a Singapore PR status, even if he is living in other countries (e.g. US), has to come back at the age of 16 to register for NS?

if the son of the SGP PR is also a PR, this PR son (born in SGP) must come back to SGP to serve NS regardless where he stays. By law. No excuse

limlim:

The point is just that the PR boy is fully capable of depriving another citizen of a place in the Pri Sch.

nansk:

limlim:

Yes. The parent is one factor.

And those with kids. After the mother convert, the female kid may convert also, while the male kid may remain as PR. And if the elder kid is a girl and convert, and got into a school of choice, the PR male younger brother will get into the Pri school also.

In either case, even if the male child remains as PR, he will have to serve NS.

As for your point of \"school of choice\" why is it bad/wrong if the younger sibling gets into the same school?! :scratchhead:

limlim:

Yes. The parent is one factor.

And those with kids. After the mother convert, the female kid may convert also, while the male kid may remain as PR. And if the elder kid is a girl and convert, and got into a school of choice, the PR male younger brother will get into the Pri school also.

limlim:

nansk:

Are you aware that sons of PRs are also required to serve NS? And yet there are lots of parents of sons who:
1. apply for PR
2. continue to live/work in Sg even after their sons turn 12.

That means, they are willing to let their sons serve NS - sons who may not go on to take Sg citizenship.

So, what you are implying is not necessarily true.

You point being? why 12 and not 18?

buds:

concern2:

For a split second, I thought you wrote \"it could just be another decade..\" Not surprised if it is..

:rotflmao:

Good one concern2! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php

concern2:

For a split second, I thought you wrote \"it could just be another decade..\" Not surprised if it is..

tuition_czar:

Just bear in mind: being heard not equals to implementation of suggestions. It could just be another charade.

verykiasu2010:

concern2:

Does this mean that the son of a parent with a Singapore PR status, even if he is living in other countries (e.g. US), has to come back at the age of 16 to register for NS?

if the son of the SGP PR is also a PR, this PR son (born in SGP) must come back to SGP to serve NS regardless where he stays. By law. No excuse