RoastChickenDance\" post_id=\"2128078\" time=\"1706359992\" user_id=\"161727:

ideal towns for ‘commuting’ to European capitals
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2024/jan/25/visiting-paris-stay-in-chantilly-catch-train-save-money

Zeal mummy\" post_id=\"2105559\" time=\"1681538937\" user_id=\"58173:[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2105559 time=1681538937 user_id=58173]
Welcome! Yes, agree with you.. cost and long journey. It will be good to go to a few European countries while you’re at it (Austria). October may be cheaper..[/quote]

starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2105558\" time=\"1681538612\" user_id=\"14025:

Tks for sharing.
Besides the cost of airfares, the long flight with stopover is another concern.

Zeal mummy\" post_id=\"2105553\" time=\"1681537915\" user_id=\"58173:[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2105553 time=1681537915 user_id=58173]
Day 1:
Arrive in Vienna. Stay in
Vienna for 3 days
Day 2: Explore Vienna
Day 3: Wachau + Lower
Danube Valley
Day 4: Travel to Salzburg.
Stay in Salzburg
Day 5: Explore Salzburg.
Day 6: Salzburg to
Hallstatt
Day 7: Salzburg to Innsbruck

You should visit Salzburg first if you're traveling from Germany, or Western Europe in general. If you're visiting from Central or Eastern European countries such as Slovakia, Prague or Hungary, then you should visit Vienna first.

Skiing? Christmas markets?

The city’s most important music event, the Salzburg Festival, takes place around July/August..[/quote]

starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2105552\" time=\"1681537902\" user_id=\"14025:

Am thinking Sep or Oct.
Likely to take its rail when moving from one city to another in Austria.
The hindrance is the cost of airfares :oops:

starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2105549\" time=\"1681536370\" user_id=\"14025:

Anybody DIY Austria for about 2 wks?
Appreciate to share itinerary or tips, pls.
Thank you.

Zeal mummy\" post_id=\"2105551\" time=\"1681537384\" user_id=\"58173:[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2105551 time=1681537384 user_id=58173]
When are you going? I mean to say, plan for which season? We did a self drive many years ago.. combined by a few neighboring countries.[/quote]

starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2105549\" time=\"1681536370\" user_id=\"14025:

Anybody DIY Austria for about 2 wks?
Appreciate to share itinerary or tips, pls.
Thank you.

zeit.\" post_id=\"2068801\" time=\"1653578004\" user_id=\"194295:

Ahhhhh Amalfiiii!!! LOVE Amalfi Coast. And Cinque Terre too! Was going to go there, but thought of sticking to my 2020 itinerary instead. Nice - you have to go to Monaco/French Riviera too.

Actually France is very family oriented and pro-kids! You will see many family with kids in Paris as it's illegal for their working parents to work or reply to emails during non-working hours. Some Michelin-starred restaurants allow kids to go in, Le Cinq, Le Meurice, Joel Robuchon, Guy Savoy, etc. But it's the dress code and degustation menu that might dissuade you from taking kids there to dine. There's quite a far bit of stuffs that my DC couldn't and won't eat previously, e.g. edible flowers, foie gras, tartare, oysters, escargots, tiramisu, just to name a few. But the small portions are actually good enough for a kid if you choose to go ala carte and pick food that your DC can consume. I recall Joel Robuchon even served us a free main course to try.
You can also take your toddler to afternoon tea/brunch, so it's less fussy for you. Do you know you can take your kid to The Ritz for afternoon tea? And Angelina Cafe, Hermes Cafe and so on? Just walk in! Few tourists last year you see. LOL!

Also, many museum restaurants (E.g. at Musee D'orsay/Louvre) and historic brasseries (Bouillon Chartier, Le Train Bleu, Au Pied de Cochon, Le Procope, Cafe de Flore, L'Escargot, and a host of others that literati, artists and revolutionaries had hung out at since the French Revolution) are ok if you take your kids there. It's not that strict cos I've been to quite many pre-Covid and didn't face discrimination or turn-downs.
As for the rural areas, even more lenient with kids. Stick to al fresco if you don't want to inconvenience other diners.

Sometimes it's got to do with early table etiquette training and kids' exposure to such F&Bs in Singapore. Or the kid's temperament.

Toomuchlaundry\" post_id=\"2068057\" time=\"1652969002\" user_id=\"197996:

Oooh I have found a master! Yay I can ask you here for Europe tips in the future!!! Yiur recommendations are incredible I cannot wait to explore Paris in depth glamorously lugging the toddler along! :rotflmao: i have these rural/pastoral leanings and love love Lake Geneva, Grindelwald, Bernina Express, Nice and Amalfi Coast, but really your descriptions of sophisticated Paris and Berlin areas have me salivating post-pandemic cabin fever... Paris had left me cold mostly because my friend was derelict in bringing me shopping and it was overcast the entire time I was there visiting her apartment overlooking the Bastille. I need to give it another shot!

Toomuchlaundry\" post_id=\"2068788\" time=\"1653563110\" user_id=\"197996:

Lol I scream a lot too, but drowned out by toddler screaming even louder. Sigh... boys ah. Look at his sleeping face like an angel. Total opposite when he wakes up

MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2068762\" time=\"1653552833\" user_id=\"43981:

Dds are docile type. I could bring a few months old and a 4 year old on plane myself.

But somehow hor, I remember I scream alot leh..talk about selective memories lol.