<![CDATA[Need an advice on office relationship matters]]>I'm reluctant to post this but this has been bothering me for some days now and I would really appreciate it if you will take it easy on me, I guess I just need to vent out some matters that has been affecting me for some sleepless nights...


I work in multi national firm and was recently promoted as a Senior Lead that has the role to manage at least 20 people. Just barely a month ago, our company hired a new lady for our daily support. She's from PRC but has a wide background of language spoken which in some ways got me interested. She's smart but not that really pretty, slim, looks like Korean-Chinese and very composed, professional. As a lead, I need to support her to handle our clients and I was beginning to get drawn to her... I invited her for lunch for one time and it has started almost everyday since she also invites me even if I don't ask her... she's just sweet and talks very calmly, I feel so great whenever I'm with her. We talk about anything under the sun and I started randomly sending her some SMS in which she also responds sweetly. One of our lady personnel who's also a friend with this woman I'm referring to, told me that she always praise me because of I support her in our daily work ... yada yada..

Now, I can't stop thinking about her and looking at her FB pics. I just can't stop myself looking at her when I have some time in our office since she's just a few meters away from me... the problem is that I already have a wife and a kid šŸ˜ž There's actually no major issues between me and my wife aside that whenever we have a big quarrel, we don't really talk about how to resolve it and it will just fade away... we just talk it over sex and it will be ok again. Wifey also likes to boss over me... which I don't like since I'm the manager in our office for pete's sake! It affects my manhood and being the man of the house!

I'm thinking of just quitting the job since the temptation is really unbearable... this PRC lady's just living alone here in SG and with no BF and ..... I dunno.......... It's quite hard to get a job nowadays with the salary I will be expecting and my position. :sad: I dunno if she's just too kind with me because I'm her superior and what not...

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/topic/40835/need-an-advice-on-office-relationship-mattersRSS for NodeWed, 17 Jun 2026 03:38:46 GMTWed, 19 Sep 2012 01:32:35 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Tue, 15 Jan 2013 06:50:11 GMT]]>

Joule:
maybe he is Michael Palmer

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/938450https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/938450Tue, 15 Jan 2013 06:50:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:01:13 GMT]]>

Joule:
maybe he is Michael Palmer

:heresmyfish:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/938029https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/938029Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:01:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:20:57 GMT]]>maybe he is Michael Palmer

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/937771https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/937771Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:20:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Mon, 14 Jan 2013 04:13:46 GMT]]>no more story to continue? 3mths already since last postedā€¦

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/937523https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/937523Mon, 14 Jan 2013 04:13:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:58:20 GMT]]>

verykiasumummy:
mamago:

[quote=\"linggg\"]losing credibility as a true story..



Hmmm... not difficult to see that .... :hi5:

(Maybe we KSPs are the subjects of people's little marketing research? :evil: )

why do u say so?? mamago[/quote]
kekeke.... I was brought up in HK mah.... have seen all sorts of tricks, schemes and ploys....

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/878648https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/878648Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:58:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:34:42 GMT]]>

mamago:
linggg:

losing credibility as a true story..



Hmmm... not difficult to see that .... :hi5:

(Maybe we KSPs are the subjects of people's little marketing research? :evil: )

why do u say so?? mamago

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/878533https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/878533Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:34:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:04:46 GMT]]>

linggg:
losing credibility as a true story..


Hmmm... not difficult to see that .... :hi5:

(Maybe we KSPs are the subjects of people's little marketing research? :evil: )

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/878344https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/878344Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:04:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:19:09 GMT]]>joule, when is ur next episode??

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/878292https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/878292Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:19:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:56:52 GMT]]>ok some parts I find a bit doubtful but maybe I can try to think up how come it happened


1) china woman dresses sluttily - plausible

2) china woman stays in condo by herself near town. thatā€™ll put it rental about 8 grandā€¦? - not totally implausible. reason: she could be a princess or something, having fun in SG while daddy back home sends her a monthly allowance. Better if name is Bo Guagua

I know personally a young admin lady from china staying in condo too and is dripping with chanel ( bag, earrings, spectacles, etc etc) and itā€™s impossible that sheā€™s earning a lot cos her work is so mundane a Singaporean auntie can do it. then where can the chanel be from? donā€™t really look like the chatuchak variety. could be imitates from beijing market but hmmmā€¦ She stay East Coast bayshore area some moreā€¦ so not totally improbable

3) china woman gets drunk and tries to seduce guy
hmmm not impossible what. happened to my buddy. Little minx some more did the crying game and say that she has fallen for my buddy. ha ha nice try. too bad buddy is ā€˜familiarā€™ with the game.

4) china woman buys a guitar? hmmmm, not so sure. unlessā€¦she has been planning for this all the while

5) guy leaves his wallet in the flat? alamakā€¦not so sure

my question is why did she go to so much troubleā€¦buying a guitar to impress the guy. The way to go is a NICE, HOT, STEAMING BOWL OF ā€¦ ā€¦

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/877130https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/877130Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:56:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:35:17 GMT]]>losing credibility as a true storyā€¦

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/876947https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/876947Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:35:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:11:38 GMT]]>

Imp75:
Very drama mama! Are you sure you resisted her haha

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:
I like the '5 to 10 bottles' and 'beers and margaritas'..
šŸ˜„

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/876922https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/876922Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:11:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:18:04 GMT]]>sounds PLAUSIBLE to me


but the wallet partā€¦harrr?

oh gosh

wait she go and empty out your credit cards on taobao.com

and she go and cry to your boss that you sexually harrassed her

really 'trouble water / huo shui" this one if it happens.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/876868https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/876868Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:18:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Mon, 15 Oct 2012 04:46:41 GMT]]>she stays \"somewhere in Somerset\" :yikes:


is she using all her monthly salary just for the rental? no need to eat or commute? or did we (or u) miss something here??? :?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/876759https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/876759Mon, 15 Oct 2012 04:46:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Sun, 14 Oct 2012 15:11:51 GMT]]>Mr Valvestate,


Donā€™t turn out to be another Mr Gay (NBG) where we read about you, centre spread news in newspapers. (if youā€™re a man).

but if youā€™re actually a woman in disguise as a man writing "Mills & Boon" or "Barbara Cartland" type of novelist in this forum here -
donā€™t turn out to be another Cecilia.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/876438https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/876438Sun, 14 Oct 2012 15:11:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:55:29 GMT]]>Mr Valvestate,


Donā€™t play a fool with PRC, they know the "weakness"of Singaporean man. dont be fool with their soft "femine" most have ulterior motive u r just a "tool" for her to settle down in singapore. once they get hold of your physical possession they will dump u for good. look is deceiving and dont let your male ego overwhelm u. if you are sexually bored go to other channel, dont play with office colleague & play else where if you cannot control yourself. keep it professional as u know the industry is very small.

Singapore women are the "best" in terms of cultural , upbringing , background and will go through hardship with u. PRC u think they will sacrifice"" for u when u r down not unless u r really handsome or good looking.

make sure she dont sleep with your boss to get rid of you- better move far away.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/876429https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/876429Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:55:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Sat, 13 Oct 2012 02:27:35 GMT]]>Never knew there are so many aspiring novelist in KSP.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/875675https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/875675Sat, 13 Oct 2012 02:27:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Sat, 13 Oct 2012 00:55:08 GMT]]>After they had loads of drinks, he drove her home, brought her upstairs, strummed a guitar IN the apartment, all the while knowing the dangers, after which he ā€˜was dumbstruckā€™ when she professed a liking for him? He conveniently leaves a wallet behind with you know what, texts her with a smiley, a Glenn Close Fatal Attraction style end, and to be continuedā€¦


Call me a sceptic, but my belief in this particular story is at an end.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/875641https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/875641Sat, 13 Oct 2012 00:55:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Sat, 13 Oct 2012 00:26:41 GMT]]>

3Boys:
Mawar:

Reads like a local version of gender reversed protagonist of Mills and Boon.


As in fiction?

Yes, felt like a leaf out of those predictable romance novels.. šŸ˜‰

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/875634https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/875634Sat, 13 Oct 2012 00:26:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:32:00 GMT]]>

Mawar:
Reads like a local version of gender reversed protagonist of Mills and Boon.

As in fiction?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/875542https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/875542Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:32:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:43:52 GMT]]>Hahaā€¦agree with Mawar.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/875382https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/875382Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:43:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:16:58 GMT]]>Reads like a local version of gender reversed protagonist of Mills and Boon.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/875374https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/875374Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:16:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:09:58 GMT]]>Very drama mama! Are you sure you resisted her haha

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/875372https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/875372Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:09:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:47:25 GMT]]>

verykiasumummy:
KSP:

alamak!!! bought nasi lemak for bf this morning and login here hoping for more nasi kangkang story to read...


see lah, see lah scold, scold, scold and scold.... now we got no more free entertainiment liao....

looks like i got to eat nasi briyani for lunch alone.....

i've been hailing valvestate to return but he nv respond...

hailing valvestate, hail hail hail... come back please...

wo deng zhe ni hui lai... wo deng zhe ni hui lai...

wo xiang zhe ni hui lai... wo xiang zhe ni hui lai...

šŸ˜¢ šŸ˜¢ šŸ˜¢ šŸ˜¢ šŸ˜¢ šŸ˜¢ šŸ˜¢

Hey mums. I'm back! I was just very busy in work and some stuff. I admit that I got guilty in my last posts here so I had to lay off a while.
chloecube:
šŸ˜‚
think he's frighten to come back here to get lashing again
yeah... in a way. šŸ˜‚

Anyhow, I know you've all waiting for the update for my story. This might be a long post..

I've been noticing in the past few days that I've become so indulge in thinking about her that I'm starting to lag in my daily tasks in the office. My faith has also been greatly tainted in the sense that our Church became with a feeling of emptiness and strong guilt inside. I had to stop. Thank you all for all your posts, it really helped me A LOT.

So we had a company night out a few weeks back in some bar in the City area. I had to attend since most of the managers were also there and most our team. I actually honestly hoped that she was not there since I was avoiding her IMs or anything that can evoke contact with her. So... I went there, then saw some of colleagues and had some drinks... it was a relief that she was not there. Then 9:30pm came... then the men turned to a lady I was trying to avoid. My mouth dropped... he was wearing a black tight skimpy black dress, cleavage visible, with very high heels! I wonders how can she walk like that.??! She glanced quickly at me, smiled, waved and sat on another table. She was with another 2 ladies, looks like a local or maybe PRC, other one an Indian... but they're equally sexy! The other men there were like oogling at them... My colleagues on the table was like \"man, shƩ is hot tonight...\" and almost all of them agree... except me. I wanted to look but... decided not to.. it's almost midnight, we were still happily drinking, some Karaoke's .. men were getting drunk, I'm also feeling a bit intoxicated now. Some were already dancing with men.. hilarious! I haven't been drinking for years now, I thought! .... Then, she went to our table.... \"what's up guys...? We're starting to get bored with those guys sitting at the other table trying to impress us\" She was referencing to some white (ang mo?) men sitting nearby them which I don't think she was interested with. She leaned in to me... \"Are you enjoying yourself?\" Her strong perfume blew me away...it was so sweet smelling and I catched her eyes, glistening at me.... her long black hair smells so wonderful. I replied \"yeah, what a night... our big boss' doing a gangnam style dance\" she laughed. I forgot how beautiful she is since it's been a while from the last time we had a lunch date. My heart was pounding. \"Oh, I want you guys to meet (name), she's from another department whom I met and also... \" She introduced the ladies she was with... I believe she's a local but she speaks English (brit) . Short haired Chinese, wearing a black tank top outfit, super fit black pants... The other Indian lady who was also very gorgeous, she's not the traditional Indian women wearing those dress we often see around. I guess she's already modernized, she speaks very fluent brit accent, perhaps she's raised in UK. The men were awestruck. So we started chatting and all that... her friend was surprisingly very smart and cheerful to chat with as well but the PRC is still much more stunning! So we were all chatting... beers, food are overflowing! I chuckled, \"who will pay for this!\" The friends of the PRC invited my colleagues to dance while some of us were left at the table. I said to them \"I can only dance exotic... not those silly disco 70's music\" They laughed. I forgot that she's there...the seat beside me where empty... she sat beside me.... I felt like melting again..I felt hot! Maybe 5 or 10 bottles we were drinking had a toll on me. I bet she also had a lot of beers, margarita's by the way she talks and a bit slurry words.... some of my colleague's were not minding the others anymore, they're also drunk it seems and just talking among the people near them. The music is becoming too loud for me. Me & the PRC were happily drinking... she had to always talk loudly on my ears making her body closer to me... feels tingly inside. I said to myself intoxicated but I'm still sane.... I think. Boundaries is boundaries... limitations... I keep repeating. The night I guess is just starting... I saw my colleagues already hugging those ladies...I said to myself... 'waaat' Those men were single anyway so what the heck... lucky for them. I said to her, \"finally, somebody will get laid!\" she smiled... \"I think someone will also be happy tonight\" I
didn't get that... drinks are getting into my head. I was wearing a coat & tie at that time, she told me \"you look so formal.. we are not in the office anymore, you know\" She removed my coat and loosened my tie... I was embarrassed with the team but they were not minding us. \"now you look better\" I'm beginning to feel relaxed as night goes by... Then my colleagues went back to our table and their hands are around those ladies... \"hey boss, you don't mind us hitting the road right...\" they were laughing. These guys were already drunk... . the ladies are a bit tipsy as well... I said \" I don;t you think you can drive anymore\" The ladies interrupted, \"no worries, we can drive... we'll make sure that these boys will be safe and sound\" They chuckled. Her another chinese friend whispered something in Chinese lingo that I didn't hear and they both laughed... I wondered what that is. So they headed off... a few of us were still there... having our last cheers. It's almost 2:00am, I told them, \"Ok guys, I need to leave now... it's getting late, I still have duties\" They laughed. She was also tipsy and very drunk. I told them \"would you guys mind to drop her off at her place...\" She interrupted. \"No I'm heading home as well.... you can drop me off right?\" She was smiling at me... Can I say no? I wanted her to be safe...

We went to the parking area, she almost can't barely walk anymore. I think she almost drank the whole barrel!!I had to hold her arms... \"thanks, you're sweet\" I just stared. She feels hot but she still smells very good... I told myself \"you are crossing the line...\" So I opened the door for her, she said \"very nice car you got here....\" It cost me me an arm and a leg to purchase that. She laughed. \"I was not joking... \" So I asked her where she is staying. She said that \"somewhere in Somerset\" and she gave me the exact address. She was just staring outside while I was driving. I joked \"wow... this is the first time that you became quite for the whole night!\" She just smiled... but not looking at me, just staring outside the window. We were almost near the area. Then she sighed ...then started speaking in a low, murmuring tone.

\"you are avoiding me for days now...\"
.... I was like \"huh?\"
\"Why are you not answering my emails nor instant messages??\"
.... I was quite
\"Why are you always out of your office?\"
you're just drunk I said...
\"Answer me, why are you avoiding me......\"

I see that she is not joking at all... she's still staring at the window but demanding some answers.... then I didn't noticed that she fell asleep. I took my coat and put it on her... the dress is very revealing. :oops:
I asked her for which building she is... we entered into a fancy condominium area. I told her \"wow, how can you afford this??\" She was still sleeping. I parked, I opened her door. I gently tapped her to wake up. She said \"sorry... \" \"can you help me out here please...\" it seems that she's still not in herself to stand by herself. I had to hold her by her shoulders... we went to the lift and into her apartment. Nice place I told her... it's a very modern apartment, very clean... even nicer with my humbly small HDB flat! I told her \"Ok then, have a great weekend... bye!\" \"Wait!\" she said \"maybe just drink a few coffee with me before you leave... it will make you feel better, you had lots of beer as well\" I was like.. oh man... wifey's not in SG together with my kid at that time due to some wedding of her friend in New Zealand and will be back on Sunday. I said \"ok... just for a few minutes then... Im already tired. I was a long night\" She was very happy when I mentioned that. So we talk...I guess the coffee helped her, she is much more herself again. Then she excused herself saying that she needed to just do something. So I was left... I was looking at her place. I was surprised indeed that it was very clean, her pictures everywhere, very cute poses, her family, I saw that she has a nice guitar lying around!! ... I told myself \"this is quite expensive, US made\" I felt pity for the guitar not being taken care of properly. I held the 'Taylor' guitar and played some ballad and sang some tunes. Then I heard her say \"you really do play well...\" I turned my head and saw her wearing a short shorts used for sleeping and and some white silky top... my JAW literally dropped. :yikes: :slapshead: I felt the same tingling sensation inside.... i said to myself... NO. NO. NO. \"you liked the coffee?\" she's smiling... her hair's now untied and with no make up, she is more beautiful and natural. She sat on the couch near me while my jaw was still opened (LOL) \"play again the song you were singing... i like that\"... I was like a robot. It's been a while since I was with a woman other than my wife... and this is not an ordinary, she is stunningly beautiful. \"HEY! Have you seen a ghost? why are you starring at me... you look like a dog drooling!\" She laughed out loud. I just grimaced... She took the guitar from me and she started very hard to play... it's a disgrace with this 2,000 dollars worth of guitar to be in the hands of this woman, I said to myself!! :? I showed her how to make a few chords and her fingers... I held her hands, fingers... it felt very soft... She pushed me back while she put back the Acoustic on the other couch...\"enough of this playing\" she said smiling.... \"I know you like me....\" I was dumbstruck! She lay on top of me whispering...\"do you think I'm stupid not to notice how you look at me ever since I reported to the office.... how you were looking at me earlier this evening... I know you are fantasizing about me..\" My mind were going into like 300kph!! This is NOT happening... I can still see her pretty face even at the dim light in her apartment... my mind was racing... she is very near me and her FACE her lips almost into me... I was like? Is this a dream?!?! A movie? What's the punchline on this?

Then, I remembered my family.


I pushed her away... I dunno how strong that was but, for her small stature, it was very easy even with my one hand. \"PLEASE Stop! I'm sorry...this was a VERY big mistake...\" I was standing. She was on the couch still shocked... \"I am a married guy with a daughter, please let's not do this... I love them very much\" I then explained to her that I was wrong in the very first place when I started sending her an SMS, having lunch and dates with her. She started shouting at me... some in Chinese... telling me a liar and all that... That I was just pretending not to like her... I was shocked with what's happening! her mood became more calmer She is telling me if she't not pretty enough for me... she then asked if she is hotter than my wife. .. what kind of a question is that? She started crying.................... I felt somewhat guilty. I made these mess :oops: She then started saying how her previous BF just used her and all that yada yada...... I was really not listening, I just wanted to go home and rest and get over these. She went over me again and begged not to leave that she will do everything I want to her.... Oh man... I'm beginning to think that she had gone berserk. She needed help. but not from me...

I hurriedly walked out.... she was shouting, crying...

I was in the parking area then I felt that I left something... D*mn. My wallet! I remembered that, I had to put it on her table when I took out my guitar pick! I received an SMS \"Left something?\" with a smiley emoticon. What the heck................. I had to return back.my IC and Driver's license was there. She opened the door smiling... \"why do you have this in your wallet?\" WHAT DA... she was holding a protective thingy.... shucks... it was like there for ages..... I never change things inside, I have lots of receipts, Credit cards there some pics... I don;t even know that it is still there. I asked her where's my wallet... She smiled again \"I'm asking you why do you have this.... you want it do you\" I even wondered how in the heck did she scourge with my personal things.... I'm dealing with a psycho it seems. \"When was the last time you had it\" \"yesterday!! Please give me back my wallet!!!!\"\"I shouted... she told me that I'm a liar since she knows that my wife is out of the country... how did she know that??? Anyhow, with lots of shouting at her... with no profanity... she gave in. \"

\"we are not yet done...\" she told me...

I had chills with those words.

I hurriedly went back home... then slept and prayed that those never happened.

It was a bright Saturday morning the next day, I woke up very late... I was glad that I didn't receive any SMS or what.. I said, maybe it was just a dream. I asked maid to cook something for me..., I checked my wife how are they....


**** To be continued.................

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/875358https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/875358Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:47:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Need an advice on office relationship matters on Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:25:06 GMT]]>

Joule:
in chinese


valvestate 见äø€ę¬”å°±ę‰“äø€ę¬”, :spank:

å“Ŗé‡Œę•¢å›žę„ļ¼Ÿ šŸ˜“
nobody will harm him... i promise... :xedfingers: :xedfingers:

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