mummyscopio:

enoawng:

If there are 30 scripts questions in paper 2 (e.g. science), how does the logistics work for 60 teachers to mark 1 paper? Just curious..

but for CL,
all teachers have different \"job\" during marking... we are in different centres... and in each centre we are in different groups then diff subgroup.... teachers in each subgroup are from diff schools...
papers from our own schools will NOT be sent to our allocated centres for marking... we will NOT mark our own school's paper.. if you have family or relatives taking PSLE that year... declaration need to be made before deployment for marking duties are done... (so there is no room for \"bias-ness\")

as i've said... all teachers have different \"job\"... some teachers will be marking... (完成对话 will be marked by a pair of teachers, as for 理解 every question is marked by different pair of teachers) .... some teachers will be checking the marking and the calculation of marks... some teachers will shade the marks for every question for every child on the OAS.. some teachers will check the shaded OAS.. some teachers will scan the raw scores into the system... some teachers will check the scores in the system against the shaded OAS... every stage will be \"QC\"ed by chief and asst chief marker..

we always joked about us working in a \"a-line factory production\" fashion during the 4 days 8-5pm PSLE marking..

enoawng:

If there are 30 scripts questions in paper 2 (e.g. science), how does the logistics work for 60 teachers to mark 1 paper? Just curious..

bleeze:

My Dd got an A for CL and merit for HCL which is understandable. But one thing I don't understand is why most of my Dd's friends only get 'A' for CL but not A* for CL and yet a Distinction for HCL :scratchhead:


HCL supposed to be more difficult to achieve than CL but majority able to get Distinction for HCL but not A* for CL.

Truth Hurts:

Let me clarify...no intent to bash our local teachers here nor FTs.


Imagine your child is tested by 2 Chinese MT teachers. 1) One is China-born and the other local. I can say the expectations are higher if he is to do well for his exam. 2) Another child who takes Malay MT is tested by local born Malay MT teachers. They are both marked according to the same rubrics for oral. All things being equal, I will really be worried for the Chinese pupil in this case.

koguma:

I am just stating my views, do not hatam me


If other singapore kids can get A/A* for CL2 and Merit/Distinction for CL1, I don't think the nationality of the markers make a different.
Instead, I will be asking myself why my kids/nephews/nieces cannot achieve the same grade as those who can make it.

Unless someone can prove to me that majority of Singapore kids are getting C or D or E for CL2, then I don't see any issues of having more China born MT Teachers.

Instead, I will be more than happy if my kids/nephews/nieces are taught by China born MT Teachers ! One of my nieces is taught by a Chinese born teacher in P5 and P6, and he really helps to build her strong foundation in the language. Throughout her 4 years in Sec school, she is one of the rare few Singapore born students to pass HCL, only lose to the China scholars in her school. Most of her Singapore born classmates fail HCL frequently and has to drop HCL to normal CL !

Why not look at things positively and take the opportunity to learn from whatever resources we have?

koguma:

I am just stating my views, do not hatam me


If other singapore kids can get A/A* for CL2 and Merit/Distinction for CL1, I don't think the nationality of the markers make a different.
Instead, I will be asking myself why my kids/nephews/nieces cannot achieve the same grade as those who can make it.

Unless someone can prove to me that majority of Singapore kids are getting C or D or E for CL2, then I don't see any issues of having more China born MT Teachers.

Instead, I will be more than happy if my kids/nephews/nieces are taught by China born MT Teachers ! One of my nieces is taught by a Chinese born teacher in P5 and P6, and he really helps to build her strong foundation in the language. Throughout her 4 years in Sec school, she is one of the rare few Singapore born students to pass HCL, only lose to the China scholars in her school. Most of her Singapore born classmates fail HCL frequently and has to drop HCL to normal CL !

Why not look at things positively and take the opportunity to learn from whatever resources we have?

Truth Hurts:

Before I begin, please note I am not bashing FT here. Nor am I saying that our local MT teachers do not have the standard of our China born MT Teachers. I am merely stating my observation.


My observation
1) MOE has employed many Chinese MT teachers from China. When they invilgilate the oral exams and mark your child's scripts, their expectations are much higher. Thus making it harder for our local children to score well for Chinese MT. Is this fair for children taking Chinese MT?

2) Is the same process applied by MOE in recruiting FTs to teach Malay MT or Tamil? I don't think so.

Your views on the matter? Thanks

Truth Hurts:

Let me clarify...no intent to bash our local teachers here nor FTs.


Imagine your child is tested by 2 Chinese MT teachers. 1) One is China-born and the other local. I can say the expectations are higher if he is to do well for his exam. 2) Another child who takes Malay MT is tested by local born Malay MT teachers. They are both marked according to the same rubrics for oral. All things being equal, I will really be worried for the Chinese pupil in this case.

My point is that our primary schools are being flooded by many China born MT teachers. This puts our local Chinese speaking pupils at a disadvantage because their T-score suffers. Maybe this is why so many foreign pupils are doing better for PSLE than our locals. Did MOE think about this before going on a recruitment drive for China Born MT teachers?

Truth Hurts:

Let me clarify...no intent to bash our local teachers here nor FTs.


Imagine your child is tested by 2 Chinese MT teachers. 1) One is China-born and the other local. I can say the expectations are higher if he is to do well for his exam. 2) Another child who takes Malay MT is tested by local born Malay MT teachers. They are both marked according to the same rubrics for oral. All things being equal, I will really be worried for the Chinese pupil in this case.

My point is that our primary schools are being flooded by many China born MT teachers. This puts our local Chinese speaking pupils at a disadvantage because their T-score suffers. Maybe this is why so many foreign pupils are doing better for PSLE than our locals. Did MOE think about this before going on a recruitment drive for China Born MT teachers?

wiimum:

I suspect there is another problem in the Chinese MT: the students who are originally from China or whose parents have become citizens , PR recently, these students would have higher standard in the Chinese language and this would affect the overall expectation of our students in the Chinese language.

Sun_2010:

Truth Hurts:

Before I begin, please note I am not bashing FT here. Nor am I saying that our local MT teachers do not have the standard of our China born MT Teachers. I am merely stating my observation.


My observation
1) MOE has employed many Chinese MT teachers from China. When they invilgilate the oral exams and mark your child's scripts, their expectations are much higher. Thus making it harder for our local children to score well for Chinese MT. Is this fair for children taking Chinese MT?

2) Is the same process applied by MOE in recruiting FTs to teach Malay MT or Tamil? I don't think so.

Your views on the matter? Thanks

I have heard it happens for Tamil too.

And i would rather have teachers who have a very sound grounding in the intricacies of language teach my kids and give them a good foundation even if it means their PSLE MT marking is going to be tougher.
It is never marks over good command of subject. PSLE is not the destination.

Truth Hurts:

Before I begin, please note I am not bashing FT here. Nor am I saying that our local MT teachers do not have the standard of our China born MT Teachers. I am merely stating my observation.


My observation
1) MOE has employed many Chinese MT teachers from China. When they invilgilate the oral exams and mark your child's scripts, their expectations are much higher. Thus making it harder for our local children to score well for Chinese MT. Is this fair for children taking Chinese MT?

2) Is the same process applied by MOE in recruiting FTs to teach Malay MT or Tamil? I don't think so.

Your views on the matter? Thanks