Emotional Child = gifted

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:53:52 GMT

mrswongtuition — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:53:52 GMT

Andaiz:
Although her Math scores were not fantastic, this teacher did mention that she gladly let her (encouraged her even) help the other children along. She asked that we get \"higher order\" math material (I've got some and am exploring UNSW Math - see my other thread) - will ask if she can do it in school. Thanks for the tip, mrswongtuition.

No problem. I have some students who are like this in P1 this year and I encouraged their parents to get Maths Olympiad books for them to try (with the school teacher's permission). I do go through the answers with them during tuition. They like it because it's challenging and the questions are non-routine.

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:58:25 GMT

Andaiz — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:58:25 GMT

mrswongtuition:

I recently went for a course on special needs children (covers gifted children too) and we were advised by the lecturers at NIE:

If a child is a fast worker and finishes classroom work very quickly, the teacher should explore the following (of cos after discussing with parents):
- Prepare higher order/more challenging work for the child
- Give the child a responsibility to help out others who are struggling - maybe read the question to them or show them how to work the sum out
- Allow the child to read other materials related to the lesson (teacher has to find other resources for the child to read)

I remember that one of my teachers actually gave me more work than the rest of the class. Usually Maths teachers will only pick out certain sums from the textbook for us to practise in class but my teacher will ask me to finish every single question (well, it was to my benefit since I scored very well for Maths). Reason was to ensure I had something to do and will not disturb my classmates by chatting with them.

If your child has given you feedback that he/she is bored after finishing his/her work quickly, do check with the teacher on what they can offer to your child. But beware, not all teachers are willing to come up with 'extra' worksheets. You might need to resort to buying your own materials and getting your child to ask for permission to complete it in class if he/she has completed his/her schoolwork.

Although her Math scores were not fantastic, this teacher did mention that she gladly let her (encouraged her even) help the other children along. She asked that we get \"higher order\" math material (I've got some and am exploring UNSW Math - see my other thread) - will ask if she can do it in school. Thanks for the tip, mrswongtuition.

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:52:33 GMT

tamarind — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:52:33 GMT

http://www.brainy-child.com/expert/gifted-characteristic.shtml

Q: How do I identify a gifted child?

A: To recognize if a child is gifted, there are numerous characteristics that are distinct to gifted individuals and quite easily observable, especially for parents. The following description would give a rough indication of these characteristics.

By the broad category of giftedness, characteristic traits are listed as general intellectual ability, specific academic aptitude, creative thinking and production, leadership, psychomotor ability, visual and performing arts. More specifically, if your child demonstrate about three quarter of the following characteristic traits, it is likely that s/he is gifted.

Variety of Interests
Excellent memory
Long attention span
Unusual curiosity
Persistence in attacking difficult mental tasks
Creative ability/Divergent thinking skills
Good problem solving/reasoning abilities
Rapid learning ability
Leadership qualities
High degree of energy
Above average language development
Early/avid reader
Preference for older/matured companions
Unusual emotional depth and intensity
Heightened sensitivity
Non-conformity behavior
Above average ability with numbers/jigsaw puzzles
Keen powers of observation
Vivid imagination
Good sense of humor
Sense of justice and moral sensitivity
Perfectionism
Apparent maturity in judgment

Researches on giftedness indicate that the best way to identify giftedness in your child is by carefully observing his behavior, not by formal testing of IQ especially if the child is very young. The best age to do an IQ test is still debatable. I suppose, as soon as the child is able to read/write and understand questions; s/he may be able to do such tests without much bias. Most of the indicators of giftedness become evident even before a child turns one! So perhaps that's when you may be able to look out for some of the indications listed above. However, do be aware that your child may not necessary be gifted in all areas.

On intelligence testing, the accuracy of an IQ test is still questionable. Nevertheless, it is still the single best predictor to test general intelligence. Intelligence and giftedness are not synonymous - as thought by many. Gifted individuals have different abilities, talents, and personalities. Even so, a sizeable proportion of the individuals categorized as gifted are distinguished from their non-gifted counterparts by virtue of superior general intelligence, which is measured by intelligence tests. This is how giftedness becomes associated with intelligence.

A note of caution, some parents tend to want to believe that their child is \"gifted\" as it may associate one with the pool of elitist, especially so within a competitive society. This may lead them to \"force\" giftedness upon their child, forgetting other aspects of development, especially their affective needs. With proper nurturing and access to educational materials, children would be seen to perform, but if their emotional and physical needs were not met, these children would be at risk of burning out.

Then, to turn the tables around would be rather difficult and requires a great deal of effort as the damage is already done during the critical age of growing. Hence, give your child what you believe would help him/her make the most of his/her abilities, but at the same time allow your child to enjoy growing. Focus on your child's strengths, at the same time pay attention to his/her weak areas and get help.

Believe that every child may not meet the early sign of gifted characteristics that are listed, but every child is special in his/her own way - focus on that specialty and you would be nurturing a well-rounded and emotionally stable child.

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:46:31 GMT

tamarind — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:46:31 GMT

Andaiz:
tamarind:

I thought teachers should be taught to be more understanding to kids of different abilities. What do they expect a child to do if she completes her work very quickly ? Sit and stare at the ceiling ?
I hate to say this but BINGO, TAMARIND!!! :x :x :x

While most enlightened teachers have no issues with a child's learning style or abilities, there are those who draw the line as far as \"disturbing peace\" in the classroom is concerned. What this lady doesn't realize is that pupils like my DD1 probably pushes the class along.

Quite often kids don't understand what the teacher is trying to explain, but they can understand if their fellow classmates explain things to them, because kids can communicate at the same level.

Sad to know that there are teachers like that, totally not applying what they learned at NIE.

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:12:51 GMT

Andaiz — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:12:51 GMT

tamarind:

I thought teachers should be taught to be more understanding to kids of different abilities. What do they expect a child to do if she completes her work very quickly ? Sit and stare at the ceiling ?

I hate to say this but BINGO, TAMARIND!!! :x :x :x

While most enlightened teachers have no issues with a child's learning style or abilities, there are those who draw the line as far as \"disturbing peace\" in the classroom is concerned. What this lady doesn't realize is that pupils like my DD1 probably pushes the class along.

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:30:28 GMT

tamarind — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:30:28 GMT

http://www.brainy-child.com/expert/types-of-giftedness.shtml

Q: Does gifted child follow directions well and be motivated by making A's?

A: Over 20 years of research has enabled researchers come up with different types of giftedness. There are many versions of this but the one I feel fits in rather well in the 6 types of giftedness was introduced by researchers Betts and Neihart which also corresponded with my own finding in my doctoral dissertation. Gifted children share some distinct characteristics generally but can be quite different in many others. However, there is no clear cut of the types; and a combination is always possible. This is an objective guide should you want to understand the different types of gifted individuals that exist.

Typically the 6 types of giftedness includes:

The successful (Type 1)

The challenging (Type 2)

The underground (Type 3)

The dropouts (Type 4)

The double labeled (Type 5) and

The autonomous learner (Type 6)

The summary of each of the profile is briefly discussed below:

The Type 1's are the most easily identifiable, and may account for up to about 90% of the identified gifted students in schools. They are the students who have learnt the system and are well adjusted to society with a generally high self-concept. They are obedient, display appropriate behavior, and are high achievers, therefore, loved by parents and teachers. However, they can also get bored at school and learn the system fast enough so as to use the minimum effort to get by. They are also dependent on the system, thus less creative and imaginative, and lack autonomy.

The Type 2 gifted are the divergently gifted, who possess high levels of creativity. They do not conform to the system and often have conflicts with teachers and parents. They get frustrated, as the school system does not recognize their abilities. They may be seen as disruptive in the classroom and often possess negative self-concepts, even though they are quite creative. This is the group of gifted students who are at risk of dropping out of schools for unhealthy activities, like getting involved in drugs or exhibiting delinquent behavior.

The Type 3's refers to gifted students who deny their talents or hide their giftedness in order to feel more included with a non-gifted peer group. They are generally females, who are frequently insecure and anxious as their belonging needs rise dramatically at that stage. Their changing needs often conflicts with the expectations of parents and teachers. These types appear to benefit from being accepted as they are at the time.

The Type 4 gifted are the angry and frustrated students whose needs have not been recognized for many years and they feel rejected in the system. They express themselves by being depressed or withdrawn and responding defensively. They are identified very late; therefore, they are bitter and resentful due to feelings of neglect and have very low self-esteem. For these students, counseling is highly recommended.

Students identified as Type 5 are gifted students who are physically or emotionally handicapped in some way, or have a learning disability. This group does not show behaviors of giftedness that can identify them in schools. They show signs of stress, frustration, rejection, helplessness, or isolation. They are also often impatient and critical with a low self-esteem. These students are easily ignored as they are seen as average. School systems seem to focus more on their weaknesses, and therefore fail to nurture their strengths.

Finally, the Type 6 gifted are the autonomous learners who have learnt to work effectively in the school system. Unlike Type 1, they do not work for the system, but rather make the system work for them. They are very successful, liked by parents, teachers and peers, and have a high self-concept with some leadership capacity within their surroundings. They accept themselves and are risk takers, which goes well with their independent and self-directed nature. They are also able to express their feelings, goals, and needs freely and appropriately.

Types 1 & 6 - generally identifiable.
Types 2, 3, 4, 5 - risk of not being identified.

As for your question, a gifted child of Type 1 and 6 would usually follow directions well and vice-versa for the other types. Motivation for getting A's would depend on how worthy the child views an A as. If he gets it very easily, he may not feel very challenged and thus, motivation and satisfaction levels drop.

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:57:25 GMT

tamarind — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:57:25 GMT

MMM:
tamarind:
These kids have superb memory, and are able to understand difficult concepts effortlessly. For example, you only need to teach them one thing, and they know other things in relation, purely by logical deductions.
Seeing some of the remarks made me curious about my youngest child.

She is 4 yr old (k1 going next year). She has superb memory and this comes in the form of things that we told her or places she has gone to or comments/ remarks that we made before. Even though it takes places months ago. Due to that, I am wary of making promises to her because she remembers and will bug you to meet that. But I only observe superb memory for such areas and not academic stuff.

My parents also mentioned to be me that they only need to tell her part 1 and she will be able to deduce part 2 and 3. So she was able to \"pre-empt\" what they are thinking or talking about.

As compared to her siblings, we know for sure that she has very good EQ, know how to please people and she is also very quick witted in her response to adults. She is also very chatty and talks non stop type. From a personality study perspective, she is definitely the flamboyant type.

However, we realised through teachers' feedback that when given a piece of work, she does not take pride in doing her best. She is more concerned with getting it done. That means she might not be doing it neatly etc...

Also, we are wondering if she is using her brain elsewhere. I heard from one of her enrichment class teachers that she can come up with many excuses eg. my hands are tired, i am tired,etc.... and ask if the work can be done at home. Never encounter that with my older kids.

We are trying to monitor those \"undesirable\" aspect of her behaviour and trying to correct her so that her weakness will be reduced.

There are many types of giftedness. Your girl may be gifted in interpersonal skills, which is going to be very helpful in her future career

Being academically gifted is quite useless if a person does not have good interpersonal skills. Nowadays most jobs require us to work as a team.

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:18:41 GMT

tamarind — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:18:41 GMT

sleepy:
MMM, MdmKS, Tamarind

Share with you an interesting article. I like the picture, can totally relate to my kids' different styles :lol:

http://www.gifteddevelopment.com/Visual_Spatial_Learner/vsl.htm

mrswongtuition:
[I could be that you did something 'different' during your first pregnancy (usually, 1st time parents are more cautious & KS, therefore ensuring their foetus gets the best
nah, 2nd pregnancy would have more experience, leveraging on the 1st pregnancy. 1st time parents usually more blur. At least this is a common comment among mums I know

Thanks for sharing that interesting article.

My brother has a much higher IQ compared to me. I cannot even understand what type of scientific research work he is doing now.

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:10:39 GMT

tamarind — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:10:39 GMT

mrswongtuition:

I recently went for a course on special needs children (covers gifted children too) and we were advised by the lecturers at NIE:

If a child is a fast worker and finishes classroom work very quickly, the teacher should explore the following (of cos after discussing with parents):
- Prepare higher order/more challenging work for the child
- Give the child a responsibility to help out others who are struggling - maybe read the question to them or show them how to work the sum out
- Allow the child to read other materials related to the lesson (teacher has to find other resources for the child to read)

I remember that one of my teachers actually gave me more work than the rest of the class. Usually Maths teachers will only pick out certain sums from the textbook for us to practise in class but my teacher will ask me to finish every single question (well, it was to my benefit since I scored very well for Maths). Reason was to ensure I had something to do and will not disturb my classmates by chatting with them.

If your child has given you feedback that he/she is bored after finishing his/her work quickly, do check with the teacher on what they can offer to your child. But beware, not all teachers are willing to come up with 'extra' worksheets. You might need to resort to buying your own materials and getting your child to ask for permission to complete it in class if he/she has completed his/her schoolwork.

It will be great if all teachers can practice when they learned at NIE

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:47:14 GMT

sleepy — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:47:14 GMT

MMM, MdmKS, Tamarind

Share with you an interesting article. I like the picture, can totally relate to my kids' different styles :lol:

http://www.gifteddevelopment.com/Visual_Spatial_Learner/vsl.htm

mrswongtuition:
[I could be that you did something 'different' during your first pregnancy (usually, 1st time parents are more cautious & KS, therefore ensuring their foetus gets the best

nah, 2nd pregnancy would have more experience, leveraging on the 1st pregnancy. 1st time parents usually more blur. At least this is a common comment among mums I know

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:03:11 GMT

mrswongtuition — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:03:11 GMT

sleepy:

MMM:
As compared to her siblings, we know for sure that she has very good EQ, know how to please people and she is also very quick witted in her response to adults. She is also very chatty and talks non stop type. From a personality study perspective, she is definitely the flamboyant type.

However, we realised through teachers' feedback that when given a piece of work, she does not take pride in doing her best. She is more concerned with getting it done. That means she might not be doing it neatly etc...
My younger child also like that. Due to birth order?
1st born tends to be perfectionist. So when we compare, the younger one seems more sloppy

It's definitely not due to birth order. I could be that you did something 'different' during your first pregnancy (usually, 1st time parents are more cautious & KS, therefore ensuring their foetus gets the best).

My elder brother is very sloppy but I'm not. Did a quick mental check with my cousins and friends I know since they were born: not all the sloppy ones are the younger ones

tamarind:
Andaiz:
[quote=\"tamarind\"]As for boredom training, it is very easy. Attending nursery/kindergarten everyday with kids of different learning abilities, is already good training. A gifted kid can finish his work in 3 mins while all the others take 30 mins to do. A good teacher should give the child freedom to whatever he likes. Then he has to think of ways to occupy himself. My girl helps her classmates, or draws anything from her imagination with intricate details.
Yes, it trains them to help others along and recognize the fact that not everyone is like them.

My DD1 still does this in school but the school system frowns on the \"talking\" bit so sometimes she gets it from her draconian EL teacher :roll:

I thought teachers should be taught to be more understanding to kids of different abilities. What do they expect a child to do if she completes her work very quickly ? Sit and stare at the ceiling ?[/quote]I recently went for a course on special needs children (covers gifted children too) and we were advised by the lecturers at NIE:

If a child is a fast worker and finishes classroom work very quickly, the teacher should explore the following (of cos after discussing with parents):
- Prepare higher order/more challenging work for the child
- Give the child a responsibility to help out others who are struggling - maybe read the question to them or show them how to work the sum out
- Allow the child to read other materials related to the lesson (teacher has to find other resources for the child to read)

I remember that one of my teachers actually gave me more work than the rest of the class. Usually Maths teachers will only pick out certain sums from the textbook for us to practise in class but my teacher will ask me to finish every single question (well, it was to my benefit since I scored very well for Maths). Reason was to ensure I had something to do and will not disturb my classmates by chatting with them.

If your child has given you feedback that he/she is bored after finishing his/her work quickly, do check with the teacher on what they can offer to your child. But beware, not all teachers are willing to come up with 'extra' worksheets. You might need to resort to buying your own materials and getting your child to ask for permission to complete it in class if he/she has completed his/her schoolwork.

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:41:30 GMT

tamarind — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:41:30 GMT

mommyNg:

I always admired your relentless efforts in trying to provide an excellent learning environment to your children (especially reading), despite a full-time working mum!

Anyway, on the topic of emotion, my DD1 frequently shy away from violent, traumatic, or sad movies/dramas. She cannot even tolerate hearing those scenes (even though not watching). She asked me, I think when she was about 5 years old, why do people die? She told me that she didn't want anyone to die, and I could hear her saying that in a sad voice.. I really don't know how to answer her. Recently, she asked me why do people dream? How do people get good/bad dreams? Why do people dream what they dream. How should I respond? Should I treat these questions seriously, e.g. go and do research with her on these questions or should I just answer in simple lay-man terms?

Yes, she is also pretty sensitive emotionally. By the way, my DD2 is pretty different, she would watch the exact same shows that my DD1 would avoid at all cost. Sometimes, she even \"laughs\" when people cry in the scene - I wonder whether she is kinda sadistic :shock: ha ha

I am not relentless , actually the real truth is that I want to save money, because I really hate to pay so much to enrichment classes, so I would rather teach them myself.

It's great that your DD1 is asking those questions, it shows that she has a very inquisitive mind. If I were you, I would try to answer those questions in ways that a child can understand. You can search for good children's books that deal with these issues at http://www.amazon.com.

There is a good forum at amazon where you can ask questions about book recommendations.
http://www.amazon.com/tag/childrens%20books/forum/ref=cm_cd_dp_rt_tft_fp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx3UEX786T6D5QM

My girl learned about life and death from Charlotte's Web.

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:23:39 GMT

tamarind — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:23:39 GMT

moi_views,

My boy has been reading Roald Dahl books and the three tales of my Father's dragon before he turns 5 years old, he has no problem understanding those books. He is only of average learning ability. I ask him to read out loud to me, and we act out the story together so that he can understand the story better.

My girl has read almost all of those books from 5 to 6 years old. I also ask her to read every word out loud to me, and I often discuss the story with her to check if she understands. She can tell me that : \"If I don't ask you, you don't need to explain.\" I am surprised at her level of understanding, and the details that she can remember from those books.

Most people think that kids before the age of 6 can only read and understand simple books. But I believe that most kids are capable of understanding complex story lines, for example, like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. If we only give them simple books of only 2 or 3 sentences, we may actually cause them to lose interest in books.

My girl often laughs when she reads those books, and she is very eager to find out what happens next. We should choose the books according to the child's level of maturity. For example, My Father's Dragon, the Boxcar Children and Roald Dahl's shorter stories are very suitable fo kids 4 years and above. Charlotte's Web , the Trumpet of the Swan, Pinocchio, Gulliver and Bambi, are suitable for kids who are more emotionally matured. But then again, we should not judge the emotional maturity of kids by their age. A 6 year old child can be as matured as a 9 year old child, mommy should know best.

Of course the child must already be quite proficient in reading. Phonics and the Ladybird Peter and Jane series worked wonders for my kids. They only have to learn consistently for a very short period of time every day, read my blog for more details : http://tamarindphonics.blogspot.com/2009/09/books-they-love.html.
As soon as they completed the Peter and Jane level 11, both before the age of 5, they are both able to read those books in the list very fluently.

Also note that those books are not \"fun\" books for most kids. If given a choice, most kids would probably choose to read Rainbow Fairy or Diary of a Wimpy Kid. Kids can read a 100 of those books and they will not learn much in terms of life experiences.

I believe that it is very important for parents to choose good books for kids to read. We will be making a mistake if we only let kids read what they like. But of course my kids still have the freedom to read whatever books they choose, after they finish reading mommy's choice of books everyday.
[quote]Honestly.. I am not sure if he is gifted or whether will he get into GEP. [/quote]Parents should not be bothered by any tests to determine whether their kids are gifted or not, this includes the GEP.

Our kids' future success is defined by how well they do in university and in their future career. Their future employers are not going to care whether our kids are from the GEP or not.

So long as we know that our kids have high learning ability, then we should provide all the necessary resources and opportunities for them, regardless of whether they get into the GEP or not.

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:25:48 GMT

sleepy — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:25:48 GMT

MdmKS:

Agee. my second child is also by nature more PR and socialable. Each child is unique and gifted in his own way.

Yes, appreciate them for their individuality

By the way, I read somewhere, despites personality differences, siblings IQ are usually within 5 pts of each other. So if one is gifted, very likely the other one is gifted too, although the younger one usually may not appear so

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:16:48 GMT

MdmKS — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:16:48 GMT

[quote="sleepyMy younger child also like that. Due to birth order?

1st born tends to be perfectionist. So when we compare, the younger one seems more sloppy[/quote]

Agee. my second child is also by nature more PR and socialable. Each child is unique and gifted in his own way.

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:13:44 GMT

MdmKS — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:13:44 GMT

[quote=\"sleepy

So if a potentially gifted child went through some sort of brain training programme, his or her intelligence traits may become more obvious

[/quote]

Hopefully it works as desire and not the other way round There is no scentific proof afterall. My colleague's wife wanted to send their DD for Shichda training, but the husband and the doctor father-in-law strongly object because of these. Reason being it is better to bring the kid to outdoor such as park to explore,..etc

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:50:25 GMT

sleepy — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:50:25 GMT

moi_views:
I personally do not know anyone from Shichida or any brain training programme who is gifted.

I doubt there is any programme that will transform a normal child into a gifted one. More of unleashing the child's potential? So if a potentially gifted child went through some sort of brain training programme, his or her intelligence traits may become more obvious

MMM:
As compared to her siblings, we know for sure that she has very good EQ, know how to please people and she is also very quick witted in her response to adults. She is also very chatty and talks non stop type. From a personality study perspective, she is definitely the flamboyant type.

However, we realised through teachers' feedback that when given a piece of work, she does not take pride in doing her best. She is more concerned with getting it done. That means she might not be doing it neatly etc...

My younger child also like that. Due to birth order?
1st born tends to be perfectionist. So when we compare, the younger one seems more sloppy

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:57:17 GMT

MMM — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:57:17 GMT

tamarind:
These kids have superb memory, and are able to understand difficult concepts effortlessly. For example, you only need to teach them one thing, and they know other things in relation, purely by logical deductions.

Seeing some of the remarks made me curious about my youngest child.

She is 4 yr old (k1 going next year). She has superb memory and this comes in the form of things that we told her or places she has gone to or comments/ remarks that we made before. Even though it takes places months ago. Due to that, I am wary of making promises to her because she remembers and will bug you to meet that. But I only observe superb memory for such areas and not academic stuff.

My parents also mentioned to be me that they only need to tell her part 1 and she will be able to deduce part 2 and 3. So she was able to \"pre-empt\" what they are thinking or talking about.

As compared to her siblings, we know for sure that she has very good EQ, know how to please people and she is also very quick witted in her response to adults. She is also very chatty and talks non stop type. From a personality study perspective, she is definitely the flamboyant type.

However, we realised through teachers' feedback that when given a piece of work, she does not take pride in doing her best. She is more concerned with getting it done. That means she might not be doing it neatly etc...

Also, we are wondering if she is using her brain elsewhere. I heard from one of her enrichment class teachers that she can come up with many excuses eg. my hands are tired, i am tired,etc.... and ask if the work can be done at home. Never encounter that with my older kids.

We are trying to monitor those \"undesirable\" aspect of her behaviour and trying to correct her so that her weakness will be reduced.

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:26:08 GMT

moi_views — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:26:08 GMT

Hi Tamarind,

Thanks for the advice and book list. U have a great system and knowledge on teaching from your post. I really enjoy reading your post..

The booklist seems difficult for his age though. :shock: I have not read most of these books myself.. :oops:

I usually get him picture books. I wonder if he will be able to finish or understand any on the list. hahha... I'll keep you posted after trying..

To the rest..

Honestly.. I am not sure if he is gifted or whether will he get into GEP. Cos he dun exhibit characteristics of a gifted child; he just has a more emotional thinking process for his age and a love for books. He is not the best in term of learning in his K1 class either. Anyway, it's still a long way till he reach P3. If it happens then, we'll decide if he shd opt in.

I too agree with mdm KS and chamonix that it's impossible to generalize kids characters.

I personally do not know anyone from Shichida or any brain training programme who is gifted. But my friend who bugged more to join told me that her daughter learning improved a lot after Shichida and she didn't even do home practice. I think it all boils down to individual child. :lol:

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:12:00 GMT

metz — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:12:00 GMT

MdmKS:

Just want to share another story of another gifted kid, a frend's son who have been perceived as \"unwilling to do write properly \" and dislike by teachers in school but at end of P3 was identified as gifted as joined the GEP in school. Hopefully the programme could benefit and nurture him according to his needs and not to focus on scoring high mark as my friend was told.
Note the kid has not attended Shichida or any other brain training programme.

I know of another boy who fits your description. Doesn't hand in his work, still drawing stickman, not in the best classes and unpopular with both teachers and classmates. You can't imagine the shock they got when he was the only one from the class to get into GEP this year. Definitely no emotional problem but mild ADHD.

On the contrary, his good friend who is always scoring 90+ in tests and exams, a perfect and obedient child in everybody's eyes, very sensitive and emotional, didn't get into GEP.

So, I totally agree with you that it's impossible to generalize gifted kids characters to a certain stream.

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:23:38 GMT

MdmKS — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:23:38 GMT

moi_views:
I am a FTWM who joined this website recently. I stumbled across a link below which describe my boy (post by applepie). So I hope to have some feeback on what I can do to help my child.

http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=340&highlight=shichida++test

My child is currently 5yrs.. He is a keen reader... loves to ask questions, good creativity.. Loves to do work and is sort-of a perfectionist.. I don't know why.. He gets very upset when he don't do well or get it right at the first attempt and is easily upset by comments made by his peers...

We are not as commited to his work like he does, especially after long hours of work.

Recently I enrolled him to Shichida, and he told me he enjoyed the classes because it's not boring.. Shichida did an IQ test and he scored above 130.. My hubby thinks the test might be too easy (since we do not know content of the IQ paper), so we are monitoring his progress.

He exhibit high-level thinking questions since 4yrs. However, he is too sensitive and careful.. He refused to go into the pool cos he might drown etc.. I don't know if he is gifted, cos there are other areas he is just like other kids, just a tad too emotional. Any suggestions??

I read a lot about logicmills.. Is it really good?

Your child is wonderful that he wants to excel on his own, am sure he is the type who will do well in our current education system. But I think it is impossible to generalize gifted kids characters to a certain stream. Just want to share another story of another gifted kid, a frend's son who have been perceived as \"unwilling to do write properly \" and dislike by teachers in school but at end of P3 was identified as gifted as joined the GEP in school. Hopefully the programme could benefit and nurture him according to his needs and not to focus on scoring high mark as my friend was told.
Note the kid has not attended Shichida or any other brain training programme.

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:01:05 GMT

mommyNg — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:01:05 GMT

tamarind:

... understand the meaning of death more deeply than average kids. My 5 year old boy still does not really understand that my father is no longer in this world. My 6 year old girl understands completely. When she was 3 years old, one day the lift was faulty, and she was so worried about her mommy and daddy that she could not do anything else. Now that she is 6 years old, she is very mature for her age

Hi tamarind,

I always admired your relentless efforts in trying to provide an excellent learning environment to your children (especially reading), despite a full-time working mum!

Anyway, on the topic of emotion, my DD1 frequently shy away from violent, traumatic, or sad movies/dramas. She cannot even tolerate hearing those scenes (even though not watching). She asked me, I think when she was about 5 years old, why do people die? She told me that she didn't want anyone to die, and I could hear her saying that in a sad voice.. I really don't know how to answer her. Recently, she asked me why do people dream? How do people get good/bad dreams? Why do people dream what they dream. How should I respond? Should I treat these questions seriously, e.g. go and do research with her on these questions or should I just answer in simple lay-man terms?

Yes, she is also pretty sensitive emotionally. By the way, my DD2 is pretty different, she would watch the exact same shows that my DD1 would avoid at all cost. Sometimes, she even \"laughs\" when people cry in the scene - I wonder whether she is kinda sadistic :shock: ha ha

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:19:20 GMT

tamarind — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:19:20 GMT

Andaiz:
tamarind:

As for boredom training, it is very easy. Attending nursery/kindergarten everyday with kids of different learning abilities, is already good training. A gifted kid can finish his work in 3 mins while all the others take 30 mins to do. A good teacher should give the child freedom to whatever he likes. Then he has to think of ways to occupy himself. My girl helps her classmates, or draws anything from her imagination with intricate details.
Yes, it trains them to help others along and recognize the fact that not everyone is like them.

My DD1 still does this in school but the school system frowns on the \"talking\" bit so sometimes she gets it from her draconian EL teacher :roll:

I thought teachers should be taught to be more understanding to kids of different abilities. What do they expect a child to do if she completes her work very quickly ? Sit and stare at the ceiling ?

Reply to Emotional Child = gifted on Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:43:20 GMT

Andaiz — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:43:20 GMT

tamarind:

As for boredom training, it is very easy. Attending nursery/kindergarten everyday with kids of different learning abilities, is already good training. A gifted kid can finish his work in 3 mins while all the others take 30 mins to do. A good teacher should give the child freedom to whatever he likes. Then he has to think of ways to occupy himself. My girl helps her classmates, or draws anything from her imagination with intricate details.

Yes, it trains them to help others along and recognize the fact that not everyone is like them.

My DD1 still does this in school but the school system frowns on the \"talking\" bit so sometimes she gets it from her draconian EL teacher :roll: