Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them?

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Thu, 26 May 2016 10:35:11 GMT

StillThinking — Thu, 26 May 2016 10:35:11 GMT

limlim:
AgonyMum:
Thanks parents for reply but think moe lost power already. Another incident ( not me, classmate in same class)with another HOD was supposedly investigated. Moe officer called school n so on but HOD seemed undisturbed. In the end, no outcome. What is happening? Other than moe, any other ideas?

I am afraid later my child kena marked. So headache.
You should prepare a comprehensive writeup of the situation prepare video evidences/pictures (of homework etc..)..

for example, some teacher are very lazy and bochap until they write the answer on the board and ask students to mark each other's papers (wtf?). How is student going to learn like this? You can consolidate all the (student)marked assessments as evidence etc.. And any other evidence that shows the teacher's laziness/bochapness.

Then, you can post in stomp (or KSP?).

Social media is your best bet if you don't trust MOE.

Now, your short post meant nothing.

Actually, what you mentioned is VERY VERY VERY common, but what they do is go thru corrections after that. It does work, this is what my teachers do in Secondary even, usually they do collect the corrections and go thru though.

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Thu, 26 May 2016 04:48:34 GMT

petals.032682pact — Thu, 26 May 2016 04:48:34 GMT

whiteyess:
What about students who lie to teachers? Any teachers had feedback on that?

I suppose you are referring to the big lies, not the minor ones like \"I left my homework at home.\" There are students who will claim that they have submitted their work when they clearly haven't, like this sec 1 child I had who was not only not submitting my work, but work from the other subjects as well. It came up during a level meeting because the form teacher received a complaint from the mother that the teachers were not returning the child's work. As some of the assignments were electronic based (submission through email), the teachers in question told the child to submit it again and even checked her laptop. Right till the end she insisted that she deleted her own copy right after submitting. Very intelligent child, it was a pity. Thankfully though, students like that are few in number.

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Sun, 17 Apr 2016 16:02:11 GMT

whiteyess — Sun, 17 Apr 2016 16:02:11 GMT

What about students who lie to teachers? Any teachers had feedback on that?

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Wed, 06 Apr 2016 07:39:35 GMT

Blokus — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 07:39:35 GMT

My son had a terrible teacher once. Also lied through her teeth. She failed my son for some oral test claiming he couldn’t deal with a given question. I asked another teacher from the same school, same level and apparently no such question was tested in that particular test. It was also evident that she marked the kids paper with favoritism. She marked leniently to whom she likes but penalised like crazy to whom she dislikes. How did we know? We could compare notes since we had a close knit relationship amongst us parents. Only the ones she didn’t like kena badly. She even throw our kids books or papers or sometimes pretended that she never had them in the first place. She called them brats too, thinking the kids were too stupid to tell their parents duh.

What did we do? We did nothing. We could do nothing. If we complained and she was not sacked then woe to our kids. More torture for them. In other words, we were held hostage. What to do? Just grit out teeth and Tahan lor.

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Wed, 06 Apr 2016 06:33:54 GMT

alng — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 06:33:54 GMT

limlim:
alng:

In higher level, the homework is termed as self-practice questions and the teachers do not grade and may or may not go through in class at all. Key answers may or may not be given at all. It is easier to give key answers for quantitative questions but difficult to provide key answers for qualitative questions. The instructions given to the students can be do the questions on your own and ask when you are in doubts. Does that mean the teachers are lazy here?
The teachers can give answer sheets to the students and ask them to mark themselves at home. That is fine. I assume the teacher will do productive work in class teaching the class other stuff.

BUT, if the teachers use the lesson time to write answers on the board and let student copy without explaining. Or, flash answers on the board and ask students to mark each other's paper and then the teacher sit back relax and shake leg in class, that is NOT productive use of lesson time. If this is not lazy, than what?

Then this is an issue of teachers not teaching, not an issue of not grading. This issue of poor teaching can be feedback to the teacher and HOD. If don't want to spoil relationship, parents can write to teacher to ask the teacher to provide explanation on those that the teacher did not explain and the kids did not understand.

Fortunately, I have never come across such teachers in the last ten years for my two kids.

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Wed, 06 Apr 2016 06:07:04 GMT

pirated — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 06:07:04 GMT

I know of language teachers who never mark a single piece of homework in an entire year. Got sacked after feedback from students.

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Wed, 06 Apr 2016 06:01:12 GMT

limlim — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 06:01:12 GMT

alng:

In higher level, the homework is termed as self-practice questions and the teachers do not grade and may or may not go through in class at all. Key answers may or may not be given at all. It is easier to give key answers for quantitative questions but difficult to provide key answers for qualitative questions. The instructions given to the students can be do the questions on your own and ask when you are in doubts. Does that mean the teachers are lazy here?

The teachers can give answer sheets to the students and ask them to mark themselves at home. That is fine. I assume the teacher will do productive work in class teaching the class other stuff.

BUT, if the teachers use the lesson time to write answers on the board and let student copy without explaining. Or, flash answers on the board and ask students to mark each other's paper and then the teacher sit back relax and shake leg in class, that is NOT productive use of lesson time. If this is not lazy, than what?

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Wed, 06 Apr 2016 05:47:52 GMT

AgonyMum — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 05:47:52 GMT

Consider this thread closed.

Not really keen to her views of defensive teachers. Had plenty of that.

However, a Big Thanks!! to all who have made some suggestions / PM to me

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Wed, 06 Apr 2016 05:40:42 GMT

AgonyMum — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 05:40:42 GMT

Then we do not need them at all, do we?

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Wed, 06 Apr 2016 05:34:35 GMT

alng — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 05:34:35 GMT

There is no need for teachers to grade all the homework given in primary schools. Some of the homework can be reviewed in class and the students can self grade. There are also peer grading.

In higher level, the homework is termed as self-practice questions and the teachers do not grade and may or may not go through in class at all. Key answers may or may not be given at all. It is easier to give key answers for quantitative questions but difficult to provide key answers for qualitative questions. The instructions given to the students can be do the questions on your own and ask when you are in doubts. Does that mean the teachers are lazy here?

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Wed, 06 Apr 2016 04:08:58 GMT

Ikid — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 04:08:58 GMT

So all given homework will not be marked by this teacher? Did she go through with the class and asked the kids to do own corrections?

Some upper primary classes are like that, teachers will go through with them, and if the students’ answer is wrong, then they will write the correct answers themselves (of course the teacher will let them know the acceptable answer).
Independent students generally can handle this, responsible learner will also write down the acceptable answer.
This is one way of training the kids to be independent and responsible.
I have seen teachers practise buddy system, students read their buddy’s compo, correct tenses, give comments and so forth.
Do you know if other classes practise same method?
Possible solution is to make appointment with teacher and understand more about her practice.

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Wed, 06 Apr 2016 03:44:57 GMT

AgonyMum — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 03:44:57 GMT

Kids will not be bothered. They are just glad there are no corrections.

Looking for any suggestions of possible actions.Or what any of you concerned parents( in the same boat as us) have tried. Thanks

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Wed, 06 Apr 2016 03:40:14 GMT

AgonyMum — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 03:40:14 GMT

Is not marking really actionable? Not according to HOD.Said it is common that teacher only mark certain work, no need to mark all. Said within specifications.

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Wed, 06 Apr 2016 03:39:39 GMT

Sun_2010 — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 03:39:39 GMT

In upper primary especially P6, the children are doing so much work, it will be very hard for the teacher to correct all the revision paper , extra sheets handed out. So yes the teacher might get the students to swap papers and correct, or even self-correct. I prefer that to handing in the paper weeks later when the child has all but forgotten about it.

Personally, I think a lot of teachers are over-worked. Not all teachers are good but most do a decent job. And as in any profession, there are likely to be some black sheep. But unless something concrete can be said and proved against them or at least by a few children, I will give the teachers the benefit of doubt.
Like "sleeping on the job" is that figurative or literally?
If literally , then how often? Shouldn’t more than one kid have noticed this?
Yeah, hard to decide if the complaint seems like an outlet …

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Wed, 06 Apr 2016 03:07:35 GMT

limlim — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 03:07:35 GMT

AgonyMum:
Thanks parents for reply but think moe lost power already. Another incident ( not me, classmate in same class)with another HOD was supposedly investigated. Moe officer called school n so on but HOD seemed undisturbed. In the end, no outcome. What is happening? Other than moe, any other ideas?

I am afraid later my child kena marked. So headache.

You should prepare a comprehensive writeup of the situation prepare video evidences/pictures (of homework etc..)..

for example, some teacher are very lazy and bochap until they write the answer on the board and ask students to mark each other's papers (wtf?). How is student going to learn like this? You can consolidate all the (student)marked assessments as evidence etc.. And any other evidence that shows the teacher's laziness/bochapness.

Then, you can post in stomp (or KSP?).

Social media is your best bet if you don't trust MOE.

Now, your short post meant nothing.

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Wed, 06 Apr 2016 02:26:44 GMT

jetsetter — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 02:26:44 GMT

Is your child in lower or upper primary? Are her results affected by her teacher’s laziness and lies? Are her peers doing ok or well, despite your allegation that the lazy liar is doing the bare minimum?

Can you give some e.g. of her lies?

P asking HOD to respond is not uncommon, esp if your complaints are trivial. How many times have you been emailing the P? What about?

What did the HOD do to make you complain to MOE?

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Wed, 06 Apr 2016 01:56:21 GMT

pirated — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 01:56:21 GMT

pirate:
pirated:
[quote=\"AgonyMum\"]Forgot to mention that principal never even reply our email only asked the head to handle. No use. Like playing hide n seek.

If there is no reply, just forward the same email to moe, and you can always email to the minister himself

If the complaint is vague like this, then it is unlikely MOE can or will do anything.

AgonyMum:
If a teacher is very lazy, does the bare minimum and when complained to, lies through her teeth, what can we do? Teacher is old-timer, of course, 23 years experience just taking fat paycheck every month. HOD is useless too, shield all the way.

Nor if the complaint is that the teacher did not do more than \"the bare minimum\". How can someone be disciplined for doing \"the bare minimum\" required of his/her job? Would be different if he/she does less than the minimum.[/quote]Not marking homework is actionable

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Wed, 06 Apr 2016 01:54:57 GMT

pirated — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 01:54:57 GMT

AgonyMum:
Sad state of affairs. Short of using camera to capture evidence, they are not accountable for sleeping on the job they are paid well to do. All the siggestions all you kind and helpful parents have given me, i really appreciate n i tried all alredi except the MP one . Dont think it will work either. Pls continue to let me know if got other untried n possibly workable ones. Thx!!

What you can do is forward the unreplied email to the principal and c.c. to minister of education and the sph. Guarantee you got reply one.

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Wed, 06 Apr 2016 01:38:34 GMT

AgonyMum — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 01:38:34 GMT

Sad state of affairs. Short of using camera to capture evidence, they are not accountable for sleeping on the job they are paid well to do. All the siggestions all you kind and helpful parents have given me, i really appreciate n i tried all alredi except the MP one . Dont think it will work either. Pls continue to let me know if got other untried n possibly workable ones. Thx!!

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Wed, 06 Apr 2016 01:29:30 GMT

pirate — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 01:29:30 GMT

pirated:
Sometime the movement is not immediate

Transfer is at periodic interval.

Transfer to teach somebody else's children? :razz:

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Wed, 06 Apr 2016 01:27:04 GMT

pirate — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 01:27:04 GMT

pirated:
AgonyMum:
Forgot to mention that principal never even reply our email only asked the head to handle. No use. Like playing hide n seek.

If there is no reply, just forward the same email to moe, and you can always email to the minister himself

If the complaint is vague like this, then it is unlikely MOE can or will do anything.

AgonyMum:
If a teacher is very lazy, does the bare minimum and when complained to, lies through her teeth, what can we do? Teacher is old-timer, of course, 23 years experience just taking fat paycheck every month. HOD is useless too, shield all the way.

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Wed, 06 Apr 2016 00:27:53 GMT

pirated — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 00:27:53 GMT

AgonyMum:
Thanks parents for reply but think moe lost power already. Another incident ( not me, classmate in same class)with another HOD was supposedly investigated. Moe officer called school n so on but HOD seemed undisturbed. In the end, no outcome. What is happening? Other than moe, any other ideas?

I am afraid later my child kena marked. So headache.

Sometime the movement is not immediate

Transfer is at periodic interval.

Only contract staff could go immediately

Reply to Lazy Teachers, Lying Teachers -How to deal with them? on Wed, 06 Apr 2016 00:26:27 GMT

pirated — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 00:26:27 GMT

AgonyMum:
Forgot to mention that principal never even reply our email only asked the head to handle. No use. Like playing hide n seek.

If there is no reply, just forward the same email to moe, and you can always email to the minister himself