Zeit:

I didn't see any photos in which the participants' faces were exposed. Those published by MSM had their faces redacted. I've not seen any photos of this latest initiation activity on Sentosa. Hope the other participants and OGLs had deleted the photos of those naked students. The photos will certainly come back to haunt her!

Jennifer:

Back to the topic, we always hear this saying Parents is the child's first teacher.
We can drum all messages into the child, like laying protection armour onto our child, hoping the child internalises these messages and knows how to protect himself in compromising situations. I believe messages accompanied with practical experiences make a lasting impression and are more likely to stay with the child.

When orientation programs went inappropriate, it is not enough to find fault with the programs providers. More should be looked at.

Zeit:

What if they wade further towards the murkier waters to hide their birthday suits and suddenly realise their feet can't touch the seabed and get washed off by strong currents? :yikes:

ammonite:

Oh, it's that game. Yes it is actually very tame by many standards. A few strippers do not an orgy make.
Silly of the girl to put herself in a compromising position where her photos will be circulated for many years to come.

lee_yl:

Going by this reasoning, then the recent mishaps of the Army / SCDF boys, must be due to their mummies’ fault for not teaching their sons to say no? SCDF officers’ prank backfired, so can SCDF escape from all responsibility? Likewise for NUS.

lee_yl:

In the first place if it is not deemed part of the orientation game, then the seniors will not have a hold on the juniors? Since the games are held under NUS banner, where should the buck stop?


Going by this reasoning, then the recent mishaps of the Army / SCDF boys, must be due to their mummies’ fault for not teaching their sons to say no? SCDF officers’ prank backfired, so can SCDF escape from all responsibility? Likewise for NUS.

Funz:

What has how youngsters dress these days and their perception of what is acceptable state of undress gotta do with the educational system?


Why is it always others or the 'system' but not ourselves that should be 'questioned'?

Zeit:

Frankly, this 'clothes chain' thingy is a harmless energizer that is commonly 'played' during corporate team building camps and D&Ds. I participated in this game several years ago.


We had tremendous fun contributing any darn accessories and clothings we could find on our bodies to form the longest chain in the hotel ballroom. Some people contributed their belts, cardigans, smelly socks, high heel shoes, spectacles, sunglasses, hairbands, scrunchies, necklaces, hankies and ties. It's up to the participants how they want to play this game.

I guess some young men (and 1 female tween) went overboard by going full monty. It didn't have to be that crazy. Or perhaps they were all anticipating this, cos they were already donning their swimwear underneath their non-NUS /non-hall tees when they proceeded to the beach. Dont think anyone forced them to strip.

ammonite:

slmkhoo:

[quote=\"ngl2010\"]Maybe all orientation camps should be abolished. :mad:

That's not going to teach them how to behave better. I would say that leaders should be screened better, and those who are too focused on \"fun\" and \"challenge\" and \"everyone must take part\" group activities be excluded. They should choose leaders who are more mature and focus on building group interactions in a way that accommodates different personalities and preferences.

slmkhoo:

ammonite:

I am also skeptical that those who did not want to participate cannot say no or walk away. Really?? So weak??

Unfortunately, yes, even university students, and these are freshers. I have asked my kids who are of that age now, and they tell me that there are many young people who are really very susceptible to peer pressure. It depends a lot on the individual's personality, coupled with the fact that many kids in Singapore are not given much opportunity to decide very much for themselves up to that age. There is a straight and narrow path for many, with limited opportunities to practise making choices or taking a stand for themselves when they are younger. Also, I have observed that there is a large swathe of Singaporeans of all ages who \"go with the flow\" and feel powerless to be different from the mass, or to decide not to follow those in leadership (official or unofficial) positions. The kids of these parents are likely to be taught that too.

ammonite:

I am also skeptical that those who did not want to participate cannot say no or walk away. Really?? So weak??

slmkhoo:

ngl2010:

Maybe all orientation camps should be abolished. :mad:

That's not going to teach them how to behave better. I would say that leaders should be screened better, and those who are too focused on \"fun\" and \"challenge\" and \"everyone must take part\" group activities be excluded. They should choose leaders who are more mature and focus on building group interactions in a way that accommodates different personalities and preferences.

slmkhoo:

I was talking to my girls about this. They say that the problem is that there will be a segment who think nothing of stripping (really!) ... I can only say that it makes me think very lowly of Singaporeans of that age! At university age, you would hope those who organise games, officially or unofficially, would be a bit more mature, and those who don't want to participate would be strong-minded enough to withstand this kind of psychological pressure.