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]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/topic/91518/dsa-2019RSS for NodeThu, 30 Apr 2026 18:27:27 GMTTue, 10 May 2022 03:23:54 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Fri, 27 Aug 2021 02:36:43 GMT]]>Omg SG_KP1, thanks for your reply. This is very encouraging.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2035608https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2035608Fri, 27 Aug 2021 02:36:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Fri, 27 Aug 2021 02:26:08 GMT]]>

0limshs\" post_id=\"2035597\" time=\"1630025135\" user_id=\"192176:

Now coming to year end, trying my luck here to see how's your DSA child coping in secondary school? We got a confirmed offer from SAP school, still waiting for the other school result. But my child academic is borderline case. Other school teacher did called me last week on my child interest to join them but yet to receive their result. The SAP school is my child first choice but the prelim result isn't that good. After we received all results, we'll let her make the decision of her choice but before that I'll like to understand what are the hurdle she might go through if she's academically weaker.
IMO:

i) School is unlikely to offer if they think student cannot manage reasonably well. I.e. even if prelim wasn't as you had hoped have faith in your child (others believe he/she can do well). Further, each test (prelim, PSLE, etc) has a variance and we would only know the kid’s true capability if we made them take the exam 10 times. PSLE could come back well inside the COP.

ii) There are numerous examples of DSA kids who entered below COP and did fine in various secondary schools (in contrast, there are just as many high fliers that struggle in secondary school for a variety of reasons). For example, a difference of 4 AL levels (total score) seems like a lot in the sorting mechanism (and it is) but 5 marks per subject is hardly the difference between \"genius\" and \"hopeless.\" If you are talking 1 or 2 AL levels (total) vs. the COP the difference is even less. I think effort, determination, and attitude are going to matter a lot more.

iii) My observation is that the secondary schools require a) very good time management, b) independent learning/revision (need to figure out what you don't know or aren't strong at and focus on these areas beyond the basic hw the school gives), and c) more advanced thinking/reasoning skills that are not as frequently tested in primary school/PSLE. Each kid is able to handle these changes differently and the ability to do so may not map one-to-one with primary marks (lot more parental support, tuition, etc).

While some kids may have it easier than others, my guess is if the student is focused and doesn't waste time they will do OK. By definition, many students will be around average in their cohort and some may be noticeably below average, but if they are fine with this I think they can still learn a lot and do well. On the other hand, the kids that cannot stop chasing those who are always doing a bit better will perpetually be miserable. Mindset and perspective are big factors here.

Good luck for PSLE and just support whatever route she elects to go.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2035605https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2035605Fri, 27 Aug 2021 02:26:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Fri, 27 Aug 2021 00:45:35 GMT]]>Now coming to year end, trying my luck here to see how’s your DSA child coping in secondary school? We got a confirmed offer from SAP school, still waiting for the other school result. But my child academic is borderline case. Other school teacher did called me last week on my child interest to join them but yet to receive their result. The SAP school is my child first choice but the prelim result isn’t that good. After we received all results, we’ll let her make the decision of her choice but before that I’ll like to understand what are the hurdle she might go through if she’s academically weaker.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2035597https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2035597Fri, 27 Aug 2021 00:45:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Wed, 25 Dec 2019 23:50:17 GMT]]>There is a more comprehensive list of COPs at another website. KSP list is incomplete.


https://www.thewackyduo.com/2019/10/psle-cut-off-point-express-2019-2020.html?m=1

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955428https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955428Wed, 25 Dec 2019 23:50:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Wed, 25 Dec 2019 16:11:40 GMT]]>

6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1955352\" time=\"1577261819\" user_id=\"145858:

Tomljerry, you may have just joined ksp recently? well, a few of the veterans here have been like you, analysing and discussing about psle and tscore for many PSLEs. This change in COP trend due to change in DSA numbers was a hot topic last year, 2018 when the change in DSA policy changed the numbers significantly. It is a fact that the playground of PSLE was messed up a little last year.

Now, you are keen to find out why you see a change in higher COP? Have you look at is there a change in COP in the under 200 schools? Are the changes mostly positive or negative? I dun have the numbers and not many sources take about NA and NT COPs. A possible reason why those COP above 200 are mostly increased, could be because the disparity between those above 200 and those below 200 are larger. But like floppy explained, it is difficult to find out more about this as this may not be captured in the COP of NA and NT which could be shown as no change, even though the kids may have scored lower than last year. Why? We all know that a harder exam will sieve out the better students from the weaker ones.

Another possibility could be that last year, not all o level schools have exercised full 20% quota for DSA intake. Some may choose to only take in say 12% last year, and 15% this year. Why? It is always better to implement new policy progressively and monitor the effect slowly than abruptly.
Hi, thanks for the clear and calm explanation. Yes, I am new here and also a parent of P6 kid joining PSLE year. This forum is named DSA 2019, that is why I read and get some understanding of PSLE here. The COP (>200) records 2019 I am referring to is based on recent Kiasu COP records, including more than 80 schools.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955416https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955416Wed, 25 Dec 2019 16:11:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Wed, 25 Dec 2019 08:16:59 GMT]]>Tomljerry, you may have just joined ksp recently? well, a few of the veterans here have been like you, analysing and discussing about psle and tscore for many PSLEs. This change in COP trend due to change in DSA numbers was a hot topic last year, 2018 when the change in DSA policy changed the numbers significantly. It is a fact that the playground of PSLE was messed up a little last year.


Now, you are keen to find out why you see a change in higher COP? Have you look at is there a change in COP in the under 200 schools? Are the changes mostly positive or negative? I dun have the numbers and not many sources take about NA and NT COPs. A possible reason why those COP above 200 are mostly increased, could be because the disparity between those above 200 and those below 200 are larger. But like floppy explained, it is difficult to find out more about this as this may not be captured in the COP of NA and NT which could be shown as no change, even though the kids may have scored lower than last year. Why? We all know that a harder exam will sieve out the better students from the weaker ones.

Another possibility could be that last year, not all o level schools have exercised full 20% quota for DSA intake. Some may choose to only take in say 12% last year, and 15% this year. Why? It is always better to implement new policy progressively and monitor the effect slowly than abruptly.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955352https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955352Wed, 25 Dec 2019 08:16:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Wed, 25 Dec 2019 07:46:03 GMT]]>

Tomlovejerry\" post_id=\"1955343\" time=\"1577258676\" user_id=\"95591:

Fact is fact. It is part of whole pic. List all the possible reasons and analyze one by one. Even cannot get all the info, but at least closer to the truth. Agree, there might some factors offset each other. But that shall not be the reason to say it is just a myth, no point in trying understanding.
In statistics, fact is not always fact. Thus, the expression, “there are lies, damned lies and statistics”.

No one is saying it’s a myth. It’s a consideration but not necessarily the most important one. To understand why it’s problematic to come up with a grand theory:

For IP schools, it will probably not be a factor in their t-score changes since they continue to have full discretion over the number. It’s reasonable to assume that they are maxed out with DSA, ie maintaining similar numbers to previous years. their COP continue to move up (or down) which means you can rule out DSA being a factor.

For other schools, the number of applicants and the number they take in could have increased due to an increase in DSA space. However, the changes to DSA places happen in 2018 NOT 2019. Hence, changes to DSA places should be factored into last year’s COP and not this year’s COP. There could be remnants, but remnants would not account for your 60+ increase.

An increase in schools participating will result in a marginal increase once schools > 230 are accounted for (and most, if not all, schools > 230 are already in the scheme prior to this year). The reality is Schools under COP 200 are hardly a factor.

Ultimately, facts are facts. If you insist on finding one that fits a narrative, I’m sure you can find it.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955348https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955348Wed, 25 Dec 2019 07:46:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Wed, 25 Dec 2019 07:24:36 GMT]]>Fact is fact. It is part of whole pic. List all the possible reasons and analyze one by one. Even cannot get all the info, but at least closer to the truth. Agree, there might some factors offset each other. But that shall not be the reason to say it is just a myth, no point in trying understanding.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955343https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955343Wed, 25 Dec 2019 07:24:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Wed, 25 Dec 2019 07:18:52 GMT]]>

Tomlovejerry\" post_id=\"1955336\" time=\"1577257328\" user_id=\"95591:

By COP info this year, for schools with COP above 200, 60+ (of 80 +) with higher COP. This is a fact. There should be some reason causing this unusual change, more students VS less seats might be a reason. Assume this is the reason, then naturally effect of DSA has to be counted. Anyway, this is just kind of assumption.
Like we said. Don’t read too much into the numbers. Yes, less seats as a result of DSA could be one reason but there are too many reasons and variables to be counted. For one school (with an increased COP), it may have an impact while for another, negligible. Statistically, a +1 (or -1) change has no significant difference to no change. Thus, how many schools see a margin greater than 2? Besides, the schools are not homogeneous. It’s meaningless and impossible to try and come up with a grand theory to account for the overall increase (or decrease).

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955342https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955342Wed, 25 Dec 2019 07:18:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Wed, 25 Dec 2019 07:02:08 GMT]]>By COP info this year, for schools with COP above 200, 60+ (of 80 +) with higher COP. This is a fact. There should be some reason causing this unusual change, more students VS less seats might be a reason. Assume this is the reason, then naturally effect of DSA has to be counted. Anyway, this is just kind of assumption.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955336https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955336Wed, 25 Dec 2019 07:02:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Wed, 25 Dec 2019 06:43:37 GMT]]>

Tomlovejerry\" post_id=\"1955298\" time=\"1577249030\" user_id=\"95591:

DSA percentage in IP drops while it increase fir normal schools from 5% to 20% in the two years. If with more 140 schools enroll their students via DSA, definitely the total number of DSA student will increase. That is what I mean.
Like lee_yl said, don’t read too much into the numbers.

While it’s logical to assume that more schools participating in DSA equal more students enrolling via DSA, it may necessarily be the case. Without prejudice, ~50 schools have COP 200 or below, chances are these schools hardly (or never) see any applications for DSA. Hence, if the increase in schools participating in DSA are a result of these schools, the needle would hardly move at all.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955327https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955327Wed, 25 Dec 2019 06:43:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Wed, 25 Dec 2019 04:43:50 GMT]]>DSA percentage in IP drops while it increase fir normal schools from 5% to 20% in the two years. If with more 140 schools enroll their students via DSA, definitely the total number of DSA student will increase. That is what I mean.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955298https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955298Wed, 25 Dec 2019 04:43:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Wed, 25 Dec 2019 03:51:26 GMT]]>

Tomlovejerry\" post_id=\"1955283\" time=\"1577241919\" user_id=\"95591:

I c. As an important measure to mix students from different levels, think the Number is something worthy to taken a look. Also wondering whether this number affect COP this year.
What do you mean by “important measure to mix students from different levels”?

Over the years, vacancies for IP have been reduced from the initial 50% to a max of 35% this year. While for O levels, vacancies have been increased to max 20%. Even if MOE were to announce a figure like 3000 students via DSA, we also can’t tell exactly tell how many are from which school (academic or sports/CCA domains). And yes, say a neighborhood sec sch decides to take in more DSA students, then its COP will be affected due to fewer vacancies being avail for sec 1 posting.

I think there is no need to read too deeply into the figures as next year will be the last batch entering sec schools using tscore. Come AL banding, it will be a new ball game.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955289https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955289Wed, 25 Dec 2019 03:51:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Wed, 25 Dec 2019 02:45:19 GMT]]>I c. As an important measure to mix students from different levels, think the Number is something worthy to taken a look. Also wondering whether this number affect COP this year.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955283https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955283Wed, 25 Dec 2019 02:45:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Tue, 24 Dec 2019 17:09:58 GMT]]>

Tomlovejerry\" post_id=\"1955250\" time=\"1577200130\" user_id=\"95591:

Any idea how many students enter Secondary school via DSA this year? In 2018, the number is 3000 (118 schools); in 2017, the number is 2500. This year total 143 schools participate the programme, anyone has the idea on how many students successfully DSA to Secondary schools?
I don’t think the numbers will be known until, maybe, a press release to announce 2020 DSA application.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955265https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955265Tue, 24 Dec 2019 17:09:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Tue, 24 Dec 2019 17:08:33 GMT]]>

Swc\" post_id=\"1954760\" time=\"1576932147\" user_id=\"178585:

Winmum\" post_id=\"1954749\" time=\"1576928024\" user_id=\"182164:

Anyone from mainstream manage to dsa into rgs or nanyang via academic?

Many.

Many many.

I’m wondering is that question even necessary 😂

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955264https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955264Tue, 24 Dec 2019 17:08:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Tue, 24 Dec 2019 15:08:50 GMT]]>Any idea how many students enter Secondary school via DSA this year? In 2018, the number is 3000 (118 schools); in 2017, the number is 2500. This year total 143 schools participate the programme, anyone has the idea on how many students successfully DSA to Secondary schools?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955250https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1955250Tue, 24 Dec 2019 15:08:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Sat, 21 Dec 2019 12:42:27 GMT]]>

Winmum\" post_id=\"1954749\" time=\"1576928024\" user_id=\"182164:

Anyone from mainstream manage to dsa into rgs or nanyang via academic?
Many.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1954760https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1954760Sat, 21 Dec 2019 12:42:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Sat, 21 Dec 2019 11:33:44 GMT]]>Anyone from mainstream manage to dsa into rgs or nanyang via academic?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1954749https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1954749Sat, 21 Dec 2019 11:33:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Fri, 20 Dec 2019 15:52:17 GMT]]>

Michecplow\" post_id=\"1954595\" time=\"1576855692\" user_id=\"31083:

Nhhs has MSP, thinking of learning malay in school might be better than traveling to Bishan.
Yes, u can appeal for change to MSP, if u think for the next 4 years, is easier to sustain learning Malay long term wise, because

- MSP is taught inside Nan Hua High school premises, no need to travel down to Bishan weekly anymore,

- Malay is useful in our neighbouring country, plenty of chances to practise speaking Malay,


- earn another 2 bonus points if learn Malay, whereas if u learn Japanese / Spanish, don't earn any Bonus point, if apply to JC next time. Can Read up more about this from MOE website

Can fill up the online Appeal form, submit your request to change, ask for closing date line appeal and time

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1954596https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1954596Fri, 20 Dec 2019 15:52:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Fri, 20 Dec 2019 15:28:12 GMT]]>Nhhs has MSP, thinking of learning malay in school might be better than traveling to Bishan.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1954595https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1954595Fri, 20 Dec 2019 15:28:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Fri, 20 Dec 2019 15:16:10 GMT]]>

Michecplow\" post_id=\"1954583\" time=\"1576853555\" user_id=\"31083:

If we get our choice of 3rd language, can we still change to other languages?
My girl is high 25x for Psle
If you already gotten your choice of 3rd language, and u are happy with, why would u change to some other language ?
People appeal, is because they not happy because they didn't get the 3rd language that they want

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1954591https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1954591Fri, 20 Dec 2019 15:16:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to DSA 2019 on Fri, 20 Dec 2019 14:52:35 GMT]]>If we get our choice of 3rd language, can we still change to other languages?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1954583https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1954583Fri, 20 Dec 2019 14:52:35 GMT