starlight1968sg:

Hi rosecy

I suggest you feedback to the P to ensure no misunderstanding arose from this issue.

Hi rosecy
Did you feedback to the P as suggested by starlight? Can share if any actions taken? Thanks.

pirated:

Fairy:

Raffles Institution now a ‘middle-class’ school, says principal, Education News & Top Stories - The Straits Times - http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/e ... -principal


I consider this a 'betrayal' by one of its own.
I believe this situation does not only exist in RI. How about ACS, HCI...?

Both my dc are Rafflesians from yr1-6 and we are not from the class that CPM refers to in his speech. Do we feel disadvantaged? Yes and No. Yes, when compared to the whole of Singapore, not particularly in RI. Admission to RI is in fact based on merit, just that children who are blessed with more resources have a leg up. This is a national issue, not school specific.

Do I feel envious, angry and disadvantaged just because most people around me are driven in cars while I take the public transport? Do I feel unjustified while others stay in private while I stay in public housing? The answer is NO. If we aspire towards Equality in resources, we may have to consider communism.

If what CPM says is true, then please abolish the 1823 fund and other assistance schemes in the school. There is no such need then.

Perhaps, CPM = communist party of malaya

Or, if they need to wayang, at least do a more credible show

Speaking from a child’s perspective, this is a negative stunt for any P to do. Being a very competitive institution, students have to work hard and put in necessary efforts to get in, regardless of environment or any additional help.

He has just discredited all the hard work / efforts made by kids from wealthier families who has scored well in PLSE to earn a rightful place in the school.

Yes exactly, I think this P likes to wayang, taking the moral high ground and blaming everyone for contributing to the so called “elitist mindset” – if this has been festering for some time, he should have taken concrete actions to address his concerns when he first took office in late 2013.

Why need to wayang now?., Is he trying to get into politics or something?

Dear Wei Han, from your vantage point, could you share what’s RV COP for this year?

Thanks.

FQW:

How does obfuscating information help make every school a good school?


Like in the Matrix show, there's the red pill and then there's the blue pill.

Not everyone wants the blue pill.

Agree absolutely!

I say kudos to KSP for doing this; I believe many parents would appreciate this information for their personal references and making their more informed choices. Anyway life is always about choices, isn’t it?

Who honestly can buy in the concept of all schools are equally good schools without any skepticism?

We need to make our choices and so we need those information...

I deeply believe our government is no draconian regime, as such; for anyone who is thinking of shutting down KSP for leading the yearly group efforts in compilations of the scores is rather childish if not simply absurd.

PiggyLalala:

My son just came back. Did pretty alright for the year 3 EOY exam with the exception of the chinese papers. I am glad. Will be getting geography, ss and chemistry results tomorrow. Hope it will be good too.

oh dear, hopefully your ds is not having Ms Teo as his CL teacher...

WeiHan:

onemore:

It is unfair for you to assume the Bishan JC boys are belittling CL because it is not needed in wherever they are going…moreover that would unjustly associate the problem of their bad CL standing to the students themselves alone and not the teacher’s responsibility.

many RVians too are heading to ivy league institutions and are you implying that it is therefore justifiable that CL teachers could have a laissez-faire attitude towards teaching CL to our children? Therefore it is ok for the teacher Ms TEO MUI LI to slack??

this kind of thinking is extremely detrimental to the learning of CL – especially it is still a graded subject.

I am not just assuming that the boys belittle CL. I am stating that the whole society, in general, think that if you need to sacrifice a subject for better grade in other areas, mother tongue will be the one.

I am not pushing for the schools or society to change in this aspect since it is a trend beyond my ability to change.

Clearly, I didn't use the trend as an excuse for TEO MUI Li to slack too. Why should I help her or MOE? Well...but the trend is connected to the quality of the teachers you will get. I am just stating an observation. How much effort you are willing to put into changing the trend or complain about that particular teacher also depend on how important the issue affects you.

Perhaps, the school can implement a student feedback system on the teachers which will includes questions : \"is the syllabus covered on time\", \"are assignments marked and graded?', etc...

not advocating change here, just a parent sharing an RVHS issue.

Not sure if you are in academia or a staff of this school, but thanks for sharing your perspectives on the trend.

Do you seriously think a student feedback system would work for this school? – have my doubts after these few years.

Feedback from parents or students has to permeate through the deep culture and politics within the school system to be heard.

Ms TEO MUI LI is well known to have a cozy relationship with the CL HOD; does not matter how bad or slack her teaching standard is - negative feedback would not shake her performance rating….or improve her work for that matter.

fact is we parents are a pragmatic and passive lot, last thing we want is to antagonize the teacher or school; we are actually more worried about the undesirable attention drawn to our children then bringing up problems with the school.

my ds used to say, everyone in class just pray hard that they don’t get Ms TEO MUI LI as their teacher for the next year…no choice mah..

So, last resort is to pay for outside tuition for band-aid; an irony, this helps the bad teacher to stay bad – we are all guilty of aiding and perpetuating the badness – all resigned to the fact that the subject HOD/school would not be lifting a pinky to do anything to change Ms TEO MUI LI.

Or wait!, perhaps the HOD did take actions - by strongly recommending her to teach in RI... :evil:

WeiHan:

onemore:

[quote=\"WeiHan\"]

Do you have any idea how many were asked to leave by sec 4?

How is your son doing in RV? Didn't hear more complaint from you ever since Mr Koh left.

Wei Han, thanks for asking, my son is coping fine this year.

Since you asked, last year his HCL GPA dropped drastically from high 3 to low 2; it is really bad as he is on HCL all the way from primary and always maintain high score, never has such low score!

He was very unlucky to have a non-inspiring and absolutely slack HC teacher by the name Ms TEO MUI LI. Always slow to cover the topics compared to other classes. Lots of homework and work sheets not marked and not gone through with the class; she can keep it for a long time but then returned to the students completely unmarked.

I spoke with her during meet the teacher on those issues, she claims that she has gone through with them in class, blah blah,.., but I know it is not true, all just excuses!

no point arguing with the teacher or elevate the matter to the HOD or VP or P – BELIEVE me, would just make the matter worst for my son. No choice but to find outside help.

it’s a pathetic situation, such a famous SAP school and cannot inspire the student to do better in HCL – with such teachers, if parents do not find outside help, I think their CL standing would be shameful.

Anyway students of RVHS are very lucky this year, I was told Ms TEO MUI LI has left RVHS and moved to the top school in Bishan.

Students from that school are already well known for disliking CL and with Ms TEO MUI LI being there, she would simply kill whatever remaining tiny flames in those boys for the CL! :sad:

I really pity those RI boys, whoever would be damn unlucky to get her as their HCL teacher for this year!

It is true. RV's HC standard isn't high. Have also heard somewhere that, in general, the HC teachers isn't top notch. Not putting in heart in the teaching and marking. Some good teachers (not advertising any school) will write lenghty comments for the students' essay and that inspire much interest in the subject. But then, we cannot expect this as the teacher is over working. I can only say that that teacher has a passion for what he did.

You are right that good tuition teachers can help in any subject alot.

I don't think the Bishan JC bothers much about HC's results. Going to Ivy league university, or getting prestigious scholarship don't require a stellar HC result.[/quote]It is unfair for you to assume the Bishan JC boys are belittling CL because it is not needed in wherever they are going…moreover that would unjustly associate the problem of their bad CL standing to the students themselves alone and not the teacher’s responsibility.

many RVians too are heading to ivy league institutions and are you implying that it is therefore justifiable that CL teachers could have a laissez-faire attitude towards teaching CL to our children? Therefore it is ok for the teacher Ms TEO MUI LI to slack??

this kind of thinking is extremely detrimental to the learning of CL – especially it is still a graded subject.

WeiHan:

onemore:

isn't it obvious why no O lvl class? those who could not make the cut are invited to graciously move on to other places better suited for their pace.... sad but that’s reality. .

Do you have any idea how many were asked to leave by sec 4?

How is your son doing in RV? Didn't hear more complaint from you ever since Mr Koh left.

Wei Han, thanks for asking, my son is coping fine this year.

Since you asked, last year his HCL GPA dropped drastically from high 3 to low 2; it is really bad as he is on HCL all the way from primary and always maintain high score, never has such low score!

He was very unlucky to have a non-inspiring and absolutely slack HC teacher by the name Ms TEO MUI LI. Always slow to cover the topics compared to other classes. Lots of homework and work sheets not marked and not gone through with the class; she can keep it for a long time but then returned to the students completely unmarked.

I spoke with her during meet the teacher on those issues, she claims that she has gone through with them in class, blah blah,.., but I know it is not true, all just excuses!

no point arguing with the teacher or elevate the matter to the HOD or VP or P – BELIEVE me, would just make the matter worst for my son. No choice but to find outside help.

it’s a pathetic situation, such a famous SAP school and cannot inspire the student to do better in HCL – with such teachers, if parents do not find outside help, I think their CL standing would be shameful.

Anyway students of RVHS are very lucky this year, I was told Ms TEO MUI LI has left RVHS and moved to the top school in Bishan.

Students from that school are already well known for disliking CL and with Ms TEO MUI LI being there, she would simply kill whatever remaining tiny flames in those boys for the CL! :sad:

I really pity those RI boys, whoever would be damn unlucky to get her as their HCL teacher for this year!

Jennifer:

starlight1968sg:

Is there any O level class in RV?

yongjianrong:

[quote=\"WeiHan\"]I know the RV's system is by retaining weaker students in yr5 or y6 rather than set up a O level class or ask to go to polytechnic.

I know one student whose result improve significantly from almost all subjects fail to a few As. That is quite worth it, better than a neither nor there A level results that don't land you a uni course of your choice.

O level classes might be implemented in the near future, but will not affect students that are already in RV currently. (Unconfirmed)

Seems like no existing class for O lvl[/quote]isn't it obvious why no O lvl class? those who could not make the cut are invited to graciously move on to other places better suited for their pace.... sad but that’s reality. Remember folks - all schools are GOOD schools! :skeptical: So unfortunate for those high performing principals from \"top\" schools (remember nevertheless, they of equal goodness), made to face the musical chair just so that someone up there could prove this point!

For those principals, it is a major :spank: for doing a good job! especially, the biggest :spank: award goes to the one in Bishan JC.

WeiHan:

I know the RV's system is by retaining weaker students in yr5 or y6 rather than set up a O level class or ask to go to polytechnic.


I know one student whose result improve significantly from almost all subjects fail to a few As. That is quite worth it, better than a neither nor there A level results that don't land you a uni course of your choice.

Hi Wei Han, pardon for asking, are you a.k.a. Sherwin?