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When I showed the p4 maths paper to my relative, a teacher from another school, i heard a lot of things about this school. Whether they are rumors or not, I am not here to say. But it is quite shocking.

So cheerleaders pls clarify this: Is it true that the teachers r often verbally abused? Is it true that the teachers r often yelled at, mentally abused? Is it true that the teachers cannot speak up? Is it true then that that was why the first vp quit? Other teachers quit?

Why is it like that? It is very sad to hear this. At the end of the day we r all adults, treating each other like this is not ok. my friends child told us has seen her teacher enter classroom with tears in her eyes. not sure what happened.

Like u had mentioned, teachers are adults, hence I believe they would know what to do or who to escalate the matter to if they were indeed mistreated this way.

My son's teacher ever cried in front of the class. But it was due to her family member landed in hospital . Not necessarily work related. Just saying.

Escalate to who? Just asking.

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It’s been a year since my last post, have not been visiting it lately, but looks more like a gossip corner now that everything seems to be hearsay and more hearsay! Well again, it’s up to individuals to believe. Further reads was basically about parents trying to find answers using the wrong channels? Airing it here would it solves your problem? Ever thought about why school ask parents to address issues properly? That’s in order for them to act and respond appropriately lah... that’s all, is that so difficult to understand? Perhaps too afraid to reveal oneself?

By the way, what’s wrong being famous? Aren’t you proud if your alma mater is famous? Do you think it is easy to make a name out of nothing... a young school which is trying to grow and breathe yet instead of receiving help, kept being condemned unfairly based on hearsay, guesses and one sided stories?

Talking about courageous, to me, I would urge you to be bold enough to write in to the school and get the answers that you want instead of lamenting it here. How sure are you that there’s no top scorer for the P4 maths paper? Just by asking a few random parents that also have no idea? Yes, I help you dig deeper, there is, as high as A* .Is that the answer that you are looking for?

Isn’t it an act of defaming a school when there’s so many missing information from your side? A school where your child is still in...

Issues that happened over a year ago yet still harping on it sounds very bitter lah... move on, since the new school is that good, enjoy la! Oh ya remembered you said want people to know, ok we all knew, so ? But there’s a question that had been bugging me though, if only you had taken time to sign that GEP form, this whole sad episode would not have existed isn’t? Ever reflected on that ? Is it because of parents’ guilt, that you want everyone to knows... ok we got you there. Since you yourself mentioned that things had change in school so it proves that school does make and accept changes for the better. Is there a need to be a broken recorder?

Be fair to the school that had welcomes your children and you to be part of their family. Be fair to those parents who had taken time despite their busy schedules to help in volunteering in school and addressing issues here instead of calling them ‘cheerleaders’. They are the lot that knows how to be appreciative of the teachers hard work, assisting them in anyway they can so that eventually it benefits our own children and yours as well. They lightened up the teachers workloads not like some pretending to be concerned over hearsay of how teachers are being ill treated ? So while you posted all the negative things based on hearsay hoping that the cheerleaders will rebut, should I called you ‘haters’ then ...

The thing is when school did something good nobody cares to say anything or comments because the feeling of entitlement. When some highlighted the positive sides it became an issue. So go figure... Teacher’s day is a celebration that celebrated in all school not only this school. Funds are collected by parents themselves and it is of goodwill. It varies how this occasion is being celebrated and this school has been having it since the very first year by a group of appreciative parents. For they understand the importance of gratitude and partnerships. And yes I’ve been here since day one and still glad that I can still find time to help out in school.

As for the ptm that mentioned, it’s known as Trialogue and it’s nothing new. Some parents found it hard to accept because it is a new adaptation of moving away from the old system. This school is one of the few that adopts it when first announced by the MOE. Other schools are practicing it as well, even secondary schools, just because, again not being informative, parents thought it’s only this school practicing it ...ignorance? Not well informed enough? But then again if there’s a need to speak to your child’s subjects’ teachers, sent them an email la, this need me to teach you ?

I had journey long enough with this school to say that teachers and school leaders are doing their best for our children. The teachers’ welfare are being taken care off by the school. I’m addressing all these at one go as I’m also a busy parent who has a full time job, yet still cares.

That’s all I have to say, criticise as much as you like, at the end of the day not everyone sees the same light ~ the choice is yours•

Aiyo auntie, calm down. You act as if we insulted you. It is a sch, once your child graduate, let see whether you still care or not.

Just because we are not posting you wants to hear that doesn't mean it is gossip. It is certainly better than the propaganda that the cheerleaders have created.

I feel like you are addressing multiple posters at one time so I will just say this: Wrt to the P4 paper, yes it was brought up and I spoke to the HOD? of Maths, who also apparently left the sch, before everything. And yes it was also highlighted during trialogue. And about the banding... sorry there are no A star for P4 because they use banding. And when I clarified with the maths teacher, it was said that yes there were not as much as anticipated. In fact, one entire class failed and this is coming from what the students were told by the teacher, who also surprisingly left the sch.

Once again some of you want to police what is being written here. It is a free forum. we are allowed to speak our minds and we have done so.

\"a young school which is trying to grow and breathe yet instead of receiving help, kept being condemned unfairly based on hearsay, guesses and one sided stories? \"

once again just because it is not what you want to hear doesnt mean it is gossip or one-sided stories.

this is not about being fair. it is about being right. and at the end of the day, one right thing doesnt negate one wrong thing. we cannot say that just because the school is XXX or does YYY means it is ok for them to do ZZZ.

In fact in my posts I have admitted that the school does some good things as well. Sadly i cant say that the cheerleaders have taken a balanced view.

Thank you Slyvia.


That goes back to the exam papers. Nobody wants to say anything because they will be scolded. no wonder the teachers during the ptm just keep quiet and say the same nonsense. lol. It is true and it is like that in many other organizations. People just keep quiet and let the wrong things happen because they dont want to get into trouble. I worked in several firms to know that when it is too strict, people either leave or people just suck thumb and do their 8-5. In the end, nobody benefits.

Yes, I heard there are spies in the school. They spy on the teachers and the parents and report back. We are probably being spied at. When I first heard it, I did not believe. But these are the stories coming out of the school, and from parents as well. :stompfeet:

Despite everything i have against this school, my child and my hubby and I like some of teachers there. But it saddens me that the teachers are being treated so badly. Then again, if the school shames children like that in the past, the teachers will not be spared.

This is my problem with this school and its cheerleaders. They are so willing to focus on only the positive things that all the very wrong things are being swept under the rug. In the process, people's lives get affected. Teachers' mental state get affected. Our children's mental state and studies get affected. For what?

Cheerleaders, can you pls address all of this? i hope we r wrong as always in your eyes.

When I showed the p4 maths paper to my relative, a teacher from another school, i heard a lot of things about this school. Whether they are rumors or not, I am not here to say. But it is quite shocking.


So cheerleaders pls clarify this: Is it true that the teachers r often verbally abused? Is it true that the teachers r often yelled at, mentally abused? Is it true that the teachers cannot speak up? Is it true then that that was why the first vp quit? Other teachers quit?

Why is it like that? It is very sad to hear this. At the end of the day we r all adults, treating each other like this is not ok. my friends child told us has seen her teacher enter classroom with tears in her eyes. not sure what happened.

Are there many stories going around the school? Yes. The school has many issues.


Is the school really popular? Yes. The school constantly post pictures, vids, and here the forum is full of parents painting one side of the school. But popular doesn’t mean good. Popular doesn’t mean quality.
Branded hangbags do not have promote so much – customers know their quality. Lousy goods need to keep promoting. Many parents will go to this sch because new and shiny. Many new houses in the area so always have students going in. That doesn’t mean it is good.

sum moree send their P6 students to legoland to learn studying when PSLE is around the corner. I understand that the students need to relax but it is not fair to push what you believe on your students. Maybe right now they should just focus on psle…I t is less that a few weeks and months away.

See next year psle, and the year after that and the year after…slowly u will see this school rot.

I don’t hate the school but tthe school has always believe itself as the best and the army of parents also defend the schools, sometimes blindly.

I am annoyed because many children are in the school as well and they need to be taught right. But because they cannot see the error in their ways ah, they just steamroll all the way.

I want parents to ask more questions and think more carefully about any other school before just putting their children there. dont believe all the wayang, wayang

I understand why you took your kid out.


I checked with my child and they have stopped the public shaming thing. Have to give credit for the school for doing that. I am glad my child did not have to go through that. Must be tough but shaming children in front of the whole school…I cannot imagine what the child is going through.

Honestly we have been thinking about it too. It is not just the issues with academics. The p4 maths exam paper was the tip of the iceberg. There is so much more we have seen and heard about this school, some of it coming from the psg themselves. A lot of parents do not know what to expect because they have sent their firstborns in this school. However, if you look closely and compare, you will see that this school is obsessed with its image as opposed to actually ensuring the right education. A lot of the good initiatives are also found in other schools, some of catching up with holistic education and really ensuring well-rounded education without sacrificing the subject grades. Will be looking into how feasible it is to remove my child.

I writing on behalf of my wife who posted the last two posts.


Professional? Ethical? The moderators in this site have spoken about this, and as mentioned in this very thread many posts ago when WPS cheerleaders were fervently posting and silencing other parents’ views, this is a public forum. It is a forum not affiliated with the school or the government. Hence, it is only appropriate that parents are allowed to freely express their views about the school – be it negative or positive. And the manner for which opinions are expressed is not in your purview. The “ethical” part disturbed me the most. As if calling out the motives of some of the posters here, as if posting a negative opinion of the school is a crime, morally reprehensible.

And since this thread has hit 141 pages, full of blatant self-promoting or defensive posts generally by the same group of posters, the “cheerleader” terminology is not in any sense an attack. In fact, it is the nicest thing we can say. It is an accurate description of what goes on here with these people. In certain key times, they have been accused of being the school staff themselves, or perhaps deployed by the school itself. My issue with these parents are simple: They stop people from furthering the conversation by immediately jumping to defend the school. They stop and paint a rosy picture of a school that, like many other schools, has room for improvement. I am glad you like the school, but learn to accept people have different views.

Example: A few posts back a parent accused of a teacher of assaulting the children. This is a serious allegation and one I hope is not true. Look at the reply following that. The parent was accused of being a keyboard warrior and that he or she has to cool down and listen to both sides of the story. The reason given was that the teacher was seen being nice to other children and thus implying so such thing happened. Does it mean the crime did not happen because the teacher was nice to other children? Is that really the counter argument? So, I should do crime because I know at least one person thinks I am nice. My goodness! To what extent do parents go to protect this school? I would have asked the parent to contact the school directly instead of downplaying the parent’s concern. This is about the safety of our children.

I would like point out that many other schools’ threads do not seem to engage in such knee-jerk defensive responses. The more you publicize yourself the more people will pay attention and the more people are going to point out the flaws. It is perfectly fine to point out the good aspects of this school. In fact, the school is right on its money about getting children to submit forms themselves. However, when done incessantly and bordering a certain level of Soviet-style correcting of other people’s opinion, it becomes deeply, deeply wrong.

Implicit assumption in your post: Feedback was not given.
My response: Feedback was given during the PTM. I know for a fact that we were not the only parents that did. There were more that questioned the validity of the paper. A poster asked if she/he should send her child to this school and my wife replied, citing her most current reason amongst many other grievances. My wife believes that the neighbouring schools are better. A question was asked and it was answered. Nothing wrong there.

Implicit assumption: I disagree with the character development initiatives in this school.
My response: Nope, I am fine with character development push by this school. In fact, the way I am harsh with this school is the way I am harsh with my child. Point out the flaws and work things out. Funny how my child seems to be able to handle feedback as opposed to adults representing this school.
Our concern is simple: Yes, character development is important. Academics should not take a back seat. Is this school doing its best for the academics?

Implicit assumption: I am not happy with the cleaning up initiatives at home.
My response: I am perfectly fine. But when the teacher hounds and shames my child for not doing chores, when ultimately it is my family’s decision in my house that she/he does something else, it becomes an issue. In fact, if I understand correctly, it is a competition now, pitting children against other children on chores. How about the school focuses on what goes on in the school? Why not send the teachers to the homes as well to check?

Implicit assumption: There was nothing wrong with the maths paper.
My response: It is not about whether the paper was easy or not. It was whether the paper tested the child appropriately. My child and I worked together on his/her mathematics, following the teacher’s advice and really doing the practices given. So when I saw the paper, I was taken aback. I did show it to another teacher from another school and there were elements of overtesting, beyond the child’s ability. An exam paper is supposed to test what the child knows and has learnt and it should display what he or she can do and can’t do. Any paper should show a distribution of grades, some band1s and majority in band2s and band3s, and the rest in 4s or fail. But this did not happen. Why? Why is the school telling parents that it is not their fault but the children’s fault? Or the parents’ fault? Implying that we did not try hard enough.

Please do not set difficult papers for the sake of being difficult. You do not know what message you are sending to the children. Be challenging but not sadomasochistic la!

Implicit assumption: Something about PSLE t-score.
My response: Nobody here is taking about t-scores.

I think my wife and I have made ourselves crystal clear. WPS and its small army of parents have issues with dealing with the many areas of improvement. Rather, the school is more concerned about saving its face than confronting and learning from its mistakes. Instead of projecting itself as a normal school, it has embarked on an aggressive social media campaign to advertise itself as a ‘dream’ school. Dear parents considering this school, I suggest you dig deeper.

That is all we are going to say on this matter. Let’s agree to disagree.

Dear LFC4ever,


I thank you for your levelheaded response. However, i cant help but to make a snide remark. As expected, WPS cheerleaders have arrived to this thread. I have bee observing this thread for quite some time and it is truly a unique thing. other school’s threads do not have such defenders, especially since it is a new school as mentioned by you.

I want to clarify some points.

You said this
" I do agree the exam is difficult but on the other hand it is to remind the students they need to put in effort for their exam as it is certainly not a piece of cake. "

I disagree with this. during the ptm and after that, i did ask a few parents about the maths results. To my horror, a few said that there were no band1s! How is this possible? i dont think it is possible. i think surely got one or two. I am not chasing for results here but to me, if hardly anyone can score band1 and most score band3 and band4, that means something is wrong. the paper is too difficult, badly set. A teacher even told one parent that so far every single parent before her asked abt the math. i checked with my other friends in other schools, some are teachers. usually the paper will show who r the top students and the bottom students. it’s funny u know that u mentioned that the school students won the maths Olympiad…yet they cant do a p4 maths paper. means your paper is harder than the Maths Olympiad. lol

Yes i agree we should not stress our kids with unnecessary academic pressure. i agree. However, does not mean we do not care about their learning. where is the push to get better? eng,math,sci is still important. i am not impressed. i tell you another joke: one parent told me that the techer likes to call to tell her to get a child to do chores at home. Aiyo let us worry about that la, you all worry about the subjects can? focussome teachers r good i can see they r trying hard…some teachers r the "cheerleaders"

On that note, if your school has sufficiently trained the students, i can assure you even the vp does not have come down to train. i hope that when my child is p6 such things will still be carried out. i am not at all concern abt the leaders’ legacy. i do not care.

you ask us to manage our expectations. i did not put my child education so that i can give leeway to a school. to me, your school maybe new but your teachers are not. no school is perfect, yes. but i can assure you that some schs just got it right. greenridge…bukitpangang pri… i am thinking of taking my child out. however my baby has made friends and might be sad. for that i am waiting. but this year and next year psle will show.

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Dear parents, need your honest opinion whether this is a good school to place my kid in for upcoming P1 registration. We are considering both Greenridge and WSP. Thanks for the help in advance!

Please by all means apply to Greenridge Primary. It is an amazing school. :rahrah:

I am a little taken aback and frankly disappointed with WSP.

When the results for the P4 mathematics paper were given back, the paper was set so tough. there were literally classes of failures. I looked through the paper and shocked to see it set at that level. it was just too difficult. many parents were upset. the p5 english paper had a few errors as well. these are exam papers. it should not be like that. in the other schools, the p6 kids r getting ready for psle. i don't know if those kids r ready or not.

i feel like something is off about this school. understand that holistic education is important. being a well-rounded person is important. but that does not mean that academics take a back seat.

there is an arrogance to this sch that i cannot stand. it's one thing to think u r good, it's another thing to actually be good. my suggestion is to consider other schools. not just for the academic but they are doing things for the kids, not for the school image.