Dear Visual Text,


May I have the following papers?

1) Subject: English, Higher Chinese ,Pure Chemistry, Pure Physics, Additional Maths, Elementary Maths, Geography and Social Studies
2) Level: Sec 3
3) Stream : IP
4) Topic (if you want topical WS): All
5) HCI

1) Subject: English, Higher Chinese ,Science, Mathematics, History, Geography
2) Level: Sec 1
3) Stream : Express
4) Topic (if you want topical WS): All
5) Nan Chiau High School

My email is angeline_sam@hotmail.com
Thanks!!!!

Is it true if we did not received notification by today from the appealing school, the chances will be slim ??

wonderm:

Augmum:

[quote=\"wonderm\"]

\"missing 1 mark or a few marks to be streamed to an O Level class\"
- do you know of someone who actually encountered this in HCI?

It is good to share different experiences and offer different views. But if it is untrue, it may mislead the readers who are trying to make an informed decision.

Come on...i based the info stated here to make my comments...
How could u say that i misled readers ??
It has been mentioned here that the cut off point being MSG 3.0, which is B3....
so isnt a B4 alrdy considered as a potential to be streamed to O level class ??
( B4 which is more than MSG 3.0) where i agree comments made by poster \"Mkkiasu\" ...

Unless the MSG 3.0 of HCI mentioned all this while is INcorrect...

My complete statement is as below ....

Augmum:

Streaming an average pupil who scores let's say 1 mark or even few marks below B3 (B4) to an O level class.... :roll:

COP of msg 3.0 does not mean if you miss B3 by a few marks, you are streamed into O Level class.

- MSG 3.0 is computed across all subjects, so it is different from missing B3 by a few marks. Yes, that translates to an average of B3 across all subjects.
- Even if a child misses the promotional criteria of msg 3.0, he is not streamed into O Level class directly since this is not like Sec 1 posting based on T score which is done by computers. Based on what I hear, the school discusses with the parents and borderline cases are not be streamed into O Level class.

I am sure you don't have any intention to mislead anyone, but I felt the need to clarify as your above statement gives the wrong impression.[/quote]For Sec 2 to Sec 3, if the student MSG exceed by 0.16 point (ie MSG 3.16 which equivalent to 1 mark) the school is not entertaining appeal and do directly to SIP class. I gathered this info from a HCI parent

petitemum:

HCI SIP only starts in Sec 3 for the underperformed while ACSI has a dual track start from Sec 1.

Hi Petitemum,

You have mentioned that Sec 3 SIP class is still IP class but more structured format therefore does SIP student have the same EOY paper as Sec IP student.

Understand that SIP class does not enjoy massive consideration like other IP class and in order to move back to IP, SIP student has to get MSG <= 2.5 to qualify. Not too sure if this is a fair chance ....

my personal observation was those posts that sang praises are parents with DS doing academically well in HCI vs another group of parent who are highlighting the stressful system in HCI.


Whether HCI is your DS choice IP school really depends on individual DC fitting into the school system and culture

jetsetter:

sama:

Integrated Programmes (IP)

IMO, should IP programme start from Sec 3 (ie 4 years) instead of 6 years whereby some who do well in PSLE does not mean they can cope with secondary environment ? At least by Sec 3 all DC have a clearer indication of their abilities.

so r u suggesting some form of streaming like in the old days we were streamed at the end of sec 2 based on our abilities, to go into science/arts/commerce in sec 3?

Yes. VS and TJC used to be 4 year IP programmes but now they have extended to 6 year IP (ie Sec 1 till J2)

ngl2010:

looking4Tutor:

[quote=\"phtthp\"]Perhaps safer for ip programme to start from sec 3, instead of sec 1, immediately right after Psle.


After child immerse herself/himself for 2 years in sec school, get used to the culture & Sch environment, stabilize herself - then whether suitable to go ip or remain in o level track, by then, more accurate to tell.

The problem is there are many that did very well in yr 2 stumbled in yr3. And some in yr4 are told to do O. Just do away with this ip, revert back to plain old word- secondary school.

I am with you in this. However, last time there are also students that got kicked out after O level, right?[/quote]I would start to realize the merit of O-level system because IP route has no guarantee to Year 5, what can a teenager at age 16 do? The only certificate that they have in these 16 years is their PSLE certificate and if they are not confident to take O level then they can either go Poly (if they meet L1R5 criteria) else they will have to repeat their Sec 4 to sit for O level in the next year.

From my understanding from HCI confession page, some boys did not fail their Sec 4 but just did not meet promotion criteria set by the IP school,
they have to pay the price of repeating 1 year of Sec 4 in order to take the O level program after all 4 years of hard work.

There is no past data on how well IP school O-level class perform in O-Level exam and qualify for JC (probably some become victims of IP program ).All IP school KPI is at A level result.

phtthp:

Perhaps safer for ip programme to start from sec 3, instead of sec 1, immediately right after Psle.


After child immerse herself/himself for 2 years in sec school, get used to the culture & Sch environment, stabilize herself - then whether suitable to go ip or remain in o level track, by then, more accurate to tell.

High Five, phtthp.
I have the same opinion too and highlighted the same in my yesterday post

sama:

Integrated Programmes (IP)

IMO, should IP programme start from Sec 3 (ie 4 years) instead of 6 years whereby some who do well in PSLE does not mean they can cope with secondary environment ? At least by Sec 3 all DC have a clearer indication of their abilities.

IMO another key consideration for IP school vs non-IP school is the subject combination at upper secondary level. Most but not all IP school are more inclined to Science only whereby it is compulsory to take 2 science subjects, together with 2 maths. If your DC does not show much interest in Science or weaker in Science then you really need to find out more on the subject combination available in your dream IP school.


In fact it is also too early to assess the child interest/abilities in Science at P6 because Primary school science are concepts and application of life-science and physical science.

However at upper sec when they do chem and physics, it may appear too abstract to some DC and they start facing challenges in coping with both sciences. Generally the subject standard in IP school may be more demanding and with limited resources to support your DC learning journey in IP program (eg assessment book/ test paper and tutors).

There will be no more top school exam paper for DC to practice and many other resources that you have used to support your DC academic learning journey may disappear overnight and it really depends on themselves.

Just my two cents worth.

phtthp:

Parents whose kids have been newly assigned to join this new \"o\" level class, also should find out in detail -

how much difference (if any) is this new \"o\" level programme (originate from the initial ip pgm) from the traditional \"o\" level programme, in terms of :-

- each detailed topic covered for \"o\" level curriculum for (physics, chemistry, biology, additional Maths, elementary Maths, etc). Because pupils from \"o\" level route take 4 years (sec 1 to sec 4), to prepare for gce \"o\" level certificate. For pupils from \"o\" level route, there would have been a lot of science laboratory experiments (for pure physics, pure chemistry, pure biology) - the students had already been taught and been exposed to, in the well structured step by step, 4 years \"o level \" curriculum. And from there, armed with a proper \"o level\" cert, later then decide later should join back a junior college, or go polytechnic.

If hci \"ip\" pupil has been requested to take \"o\" level, the child has to ascertain how much he has missed, or how far away is he, in terms of meeting the gce \"o\" level requirements. Because an \"ip\" pupil invited to join \"o\" level in sec 4 instead of sec 3, would have missed out much more study content in the \"o level\" curriculum, since he started out later, ie. joined only at sec 4, instead of sec 3.

The \"ip\" curriculum content is different from the \"o level\" curriculum.
You need to study in detail -
what are the important topics that are taught / covered in \"o level\" curriculum, but were not taught in the \"ip\" curriculum.
Theory perhaps you can study. \"Ip\" pupils can study the theory part themselves, since the \"ip\" curriculum has taught the pupils independence.
What may be the concern could be the intensive laboratory experience the \"o level\" pupils had gone through in the 4 years from sec 1 to sec 4 step by step systematically, and the scientific concepts taught, in the midst of letting pupils do these \"o level\" curriculum experiments. Underlying is scientific concepts for the \"o level\" pure science subjects are acquired through both studying & understanding the theory and the practical laboratory experiments conducted, hands on by the students themselves. The lab experiments represent the application behind the theory.

The pupils concerned have to check the difference on curriculum, carefully.
This, you need to be careful about.
You need to examine the syllabus of hci ip--> \"o level\" curriculum, compare & contrast in detail the traditional, moe \"o level\" curriculum.

:goodpost: phtthp,

You have pointed out an important details which overlook by many parents and DC.

In fact, O level English has oral components too where most IP school teaches Language Art. It is arguable that IP school has many presentation opportunities therefore should not be an issue to master oral skill in 10 months. All parents and DC understands how much time and effort a P6 student put in to prepare PSLE oral.