ScissorPaperStone\" post_id=\"1979902\" time=\"1591522905\" user_id=\"185514:

HVR\" post_id=\"1979901\" time=\"1591522651\" user_id=\"32808:

[quote=daniellimsw post_id=1979891 time=1591518984 user_id=186031]Scissor Paper Stone

I think you are too naive thinking that having a joint degree with imperial will help to get training posts in overseas. In UK, specialty training posts will be given to EU and British citizen first. Even international students graduate in UK medical schools such as Imperial and UCL are having difficult time in getting a specialty training post, how would studying in an offshore imperial medical school in Singapore will help to get training posts in UK. Moreover, studying in LKC come with a bond to work in Singapore. I do not see any opportunity to go overseas posting or training unless you are willing to break the bond. But please do share what do you mean by having imperial connection can help in overseas posting, I do not see any help at all.

I am not too sure about UK but I am inclined to think what you said is true based on the trend in Australia and SG. Students who graduated from Australia med schools are unable to secure even housemanship after graduation. In some cases, they may have to accept rural postings just to secure housemanship. In SG, no problem with housemanship but to specialise, it is very competitive. Too many specialists for too little asst consultant and consultant post. Majority of doctors will become medical officers or general practitioners. Specialisation is not a given and only achievable for minority and it take at least 10 years after leaving med school to achieve that. I won't be surprise that UK med students are having problem securing training opportunities.

It is very protected turf in Australia. They only want your international student school fees.
Yes, Singapore wants more generalists than specialists now.

Training opportunities are still available in UK if you are good.
I think I have written enough, time to get back to serious work. [/quote]

HVR\" post_id=\"1979901\" time=\"1591522651\" user_id=\"32808:

daniellimsw\" post_id=\"1979891\" time=\"1591518984\" user_id=\"186031:

Scissor Paper Stone

I think you are too naive thinking that having a joint degree with imperial will help to get training posts in overseas. In UK, specialty training posts will be given to EU and British citizen first. Even international students graduate in UK medical schools such as Imperial and UCL are having difficult time in getting a specialty training post, how would studying in an offshore imperial medical school in Singapore will help to get training posts in UK. Moreover, studying in LKC come with a bond to work in Singapore. I do not see any opportunity to go overseas posting or training unless you are willing to break the bond. But please do share what do you mean by having imperial connection can help in overseas posting, I do not see any help at all.

I am not too sure about UK but I am inclined to think what you said is true based on the trend in Australia and SG. Students who graduated from Australia med schools are unable to secure even housemanship after graduation. In some cases, they may have to accept rural postings just to secure housemanship. In SG, no problem with housemanship but to specialise, it is very competitive. Too many specialists for too little asst consultant and consultant post. Majority of doctors will become medical officers or general practitioners. Specialisation is not a given and only achievable for minority and it take at least 10 years after leaving med school to achieve that. I won't be surprise that UK med students are having problem securing training opportunities.

It is very protected turf in Australia. They only want your international student school fees.
Yes, Singapore wants more generalists than specialists now.

Training opportunities are still available in UK if you are good.

daniellimsw\" post_id=\"1979894\" time=\"1591520095\" user_id=\"186031:

Scissor Paper Stone

I'm currently studying Medicine in UCL. I know the situation. I doubt u work as a doctor in UK. If not you would have know the situation in UK. Previously there is resident labour market testing in selecting for selecting specialty training posts. UK government just remove RLMT recently, however, it is still difficult for international student to get training post in UK especially competitive specialties such as surgery, cardiology or anaesthesiology. It is okay not to share with us but I know the situation as I'm studying Medicine in UK. A lot of international graduate went back to their home country because they cannot get their desire specialty. I think u can continue being naive thinking you can easily get training posts in UK easily just with an joint degree with imperial.

Daniel, I feel sad for you. I know of many Singapore students studying in lower tier UK universities who are already in residency postings in various hospitals in UK.. U need to navigate your way and of course you have to prove that you are good in what you are doing. These students that I know are very good in their work.

I have left the UK healthcare.. working in SG healthcare now

daniellimsw\" post_id=\"1979891\" time=\"1591518984\" user_id=\"186031:

Scissor Paper Stone

I think you are too naive thinking that having a joint degree with imperial will help to get training posts in overseas. In UK, specialty training posts will be given to EU and British citizen first. Even international students graduate in UK medical schools such as Imperial and UCL are having difficult time in getting a specialty training post, how would studying in an offshore imperial medical school in Singapore will help to get training posts in UK. Moreover, studying in LKC come with a bond to work in Singapore. I do not see any opportunity to go overseas posting or training unless you are willing to break the bond. But please do share what do you mean by having imperial connection can help in overseas posting, I do not see any help at all.

Coming from someone who has worked in the UK healthcare system and studied in UK University, I have a better understanding of how the system works.

I suggest you speak to doctors in UK to find out more about how to get postings for overseas doctors. Some information are just privileged

peterfamily\" post_id=\"1979869\" time=\"1591513211\" user_id=\"184656:

President Trump sent daughter to ABC university to study Law.

President Indonesia joko Widodo sent son to study CCC university in Singapore.
Then we made conclusion that this is the best local university , it don't sound logic.

The richest and the powerful people never send their children to the best school and best course. Because they don't need the certificate to Change their life.

That's the beauty of Singapore meritocratic system. You do not need 'connection' to succeed in our system. You can rely on your own effort....Whether you are Dr Ng's daughter or otherwise, our children have equal opportunities to success in Singapore.

LKC innovative curriculum was developed by a team within the Faculty of Medicine at Imperial in partnership with NTU. The course falls under the regulations of the UK Quality Assurance Agency (QAA) as well as the quality assurance requirements imposed by the Singapore Medical Council (SMC).

You do not need Dr Ng Eng Hen's endorsement. Imperial College quality education is respected in the world. Top 10 world renowned medical school in the world.

The standard of the MBBS awarded by Imperial and NTU is of the same high standard as that awarded by Imperial in London. And it now available in Singapore available to students of LKC medicine. Yay...

Neo Family\" post_id=\"1979827\" time=\"1591461137\" user_id=\"185396:[quote=\"Neo Family\" post_id=1979827 time=1591461137 user_id=185396]
TBL means self study, no lecture. This is equivalent to skip lectures all the way.[/quote]

You are confused by PeterFamily. Let us explain again..It is not to skip lectures all the way...

A Team-Based Learning (TBL) session begins by preparing for the class by studying learning materials. These include voice-over Power-Points, specially made iBooks, pre-recorded lectures and interviews with scientists and clinicians. Once in class, students use your iPad to take an individual quiz which is based on the assigned learning material to check their learning. Immediately after this, discuss and answer the same quiz with their assigned team members. The students receives immediate feedback on how well they understood the material.

These individual and team quizzes form the Readiness Assurance Process (RAP). A TBL facilitator and one or more content experts are present to address any questions and concerns from the class. The discussion ensures students have full understanding of the complex principles in the material. This process prepares students for the final stage in TBL, the Application Exercises (AEs). These AEs reinforce key concepts and give students insight into the authentic problems and situations that doctors may encounter. Teams discuss each AE and come to a decision on the best answers for each of the questions. Students defend and debate the reasons for your team’s answers. In this final stage, expert faculty discuss and evaluate answers and conclude by addressing the learning outcomes achieved for the TBL session. Team members support each other in their learning.

peterfamily\" post_id=\"1979832\" time=\"1591464395\" user_id=\"184656:

The standard does not matter because NTU and NUS both preparing u to be a local doctor.

Why talk about imperial ?

Both become doctors.Both give u MBBS.
Medical Schools designed for the sake of producing doctors for the country.

Is like law school,Study locally study local law system.
Go uk study UK law, come back not compatible still need take conversion course.

NTU Imperial College degree (a sister school of Imperial College London) will open doors for overseas postings in future. Imperial College is a big name internationally.

Of course you will need to take the UK accreditation exam..

peterfamily\" post_id=\"1979831\" time=\"1591463914\" user_id=\"184656:

Maybe overseas fellowship programmes, NTU-Imperial name may help to boost your portfolio given it is well known globally.

NUS less well known in the western world,
does not have the reputation imperial has.

Both NUS NTU are A plus choice, no regrets for local medicine.

Both NUS and NTU medical education are geared towards working in Singapore. Tailored specially for singapore healthcare system, singapore diseases, singapore policies.

If u have MBBS in singapore and try to work in UK as doctor, u will have to compete with the local graduates. Uk hospitals will give priority to local UK doctor graduates. Just like sg hospital give priority to local sg doctor graduates.

Work overseas, direct imperial degree is better.If u want to work in UK.

NTU one is geared for local as well.
Wrong idea to go NTU for the sake of working overseas!!!

Your statement - 'try to work in UK as doctor, u will have to compete with the local graduates. Uk hospitals will give priority to local UK doctor graduates.' - That's where you are wrong.

I suggest you try to find out more about working as a doctor and getting posting in UK. Seems like you are not in the known.

That's where you do not appreciate the value of a LKC Imperial connection comes in

PaPaK\" post_id=\"1979833\" time=\"1591488249\" user_id=\"180862:

Risk is there but some don't see it, some ignore it while some embrace it.

I don't have the stature, resources and connections of Dr Ng Eng Hen's family to rectify or mitigate LKC's risk. If you have, good for you.

The difference between an average person and a successful person is one sees risk while another sees opportunity

peterfamily\" post_id=\"1979813\" time=\"1591453590\" user_id=\"184656:

Both NUS and NTU study finish content in y1 and y2. (Theory) Y3-y5 work in hospitals. (Practical)

Teaching style and curriculum very similar in NUS and NTU. I did my own research extensively,
no difference.
NUS got real dead body. NTU no real dead body.

NTU connection with imperial useless because cannot go to UK be doctor after graduate from NTU.
Only for show.

NUS is more well known because it has been here for longer. NTU new.

In terms of social networking, maybe NUS have advantage because it is older and have many years of seniors doctors and professors.

In terms of advantage for consideration for specialisation, equal opportunities for all because medical doctors are accessed in housemanship year and their residency years after graduation.


And specialisation training take place locally.
Nus and ntu curriculum no difference.
NTU and NUS are both good.
No issues.

We choose NUS only because:
- cheaper school fees
- convenient location to our house

Good, I see that you have changed your analysis

Your point that NTU connection with imperial is useless is definitely undermining the fact that Singapore government paid hundreds of millions to Imperial to establish the connection.

The standard of the MBBS awarded by Imperial and NTU is of the same high standard as that awarded by Imperial in London.. a BiG name in medical education.

This is what gives LKC students an edge when it comes to applying for future overseas posting especially in UK and probably in USA