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ParkYuni:

Imp75:

AJCAA is appealing for feedback

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScQQtYqqa-oULiwhpjcW2j4hwYv_3xR6c3CCmZ17uugM4XaaQ/viewform?c=0&w=1

Hi Imp75. Great to have this channel. Please suggest 'recycling' of ex-jc building for EJC as all are state properties after all. It's only fair and the wish of every taxpayer and yours too, as you had posted earlier. I am sure EJC kids will set good example to share the woes of others too and they will agree graciously. This will help cool down the sentiments of those affected. The new building can be used for other purposes that can boost our economy.
Thank you.

Thanks for informing, Imp75. I totally agree with parkyuni. In a time like this, surely the authority will not want to be accused of rewarding the smarter ones while 'punishing' the weaker.

While the reasons regarding IP is acceptable, we don't see the necessity to build a new premises for the purpose. It may be different if ejc is an independent sch.

So what if the construction job is in progress or promises are being made to the 3 sec schs? The 4 merging jcs are also not honoured of their existing premises and 8 are even losing their names and heritage.

The new IP pupils should compromise to prove their worth.

(There are complaints in other forums such as hardwarezone, reddit and mothership too).

Grandypa:

So if my HDB flat does not have lifts that stop at every floor, should I kao beh kao bu and demand that all flats that have such conveniences be rid of this privilege? To me that seem to be quite a communist ideology and a looser mentality. Four legs good. Four legs good

You cannot akin housing issues with those of education. One involves your personal wealth such that you go get a landed property if you have the means and in anyway, subsidized upgrading are in place for all older HDB flats so no need to kbkb.
On the other hand, MOE made students wear uniform, signifying a fair and uniform system for all.

Why do I even bother to respond to your looser mentality... scared of loosing that ivory tower for your kid is it?

stetan:

I just hope that you are as altruistic as you claim to be. But to quote ryanryan, please do not have the mindset that just because you or your children did not have it, you must remove it from others to make things equal. Everybody has a fair chance to do well in the PSLE/GCE levels to go to a better school. The process is entirely transparent. The facilities are opened to all. If you don't get to go RI, HCI , EJC , don't be sore and complain as though the system have done you great injustice. You have only yourself to blame for not taking the opportunity to ace the PSLE/GCE. Education, as our late LKY have said is the great leveller in life.

If you really want to \"stand up for the weak\". there is no point just do verbal ranting in this forum, as jetsetter would say, go write to the ministries , write to the MOE ministers.[/b][/color]

Not to worry, I had already emailed the relevant authority and planned to meet my MP in person even before I post my views here.

I linger around to simply clarify some misconceptions people have on our average students who prefer the JC route, etc and that having kids who are gifted or/& super kiasu in studies doesn't warrant one to act like her kids are superior over others who aren't very good in studies but have the positive attributes and other talents.

You are indeed shallow and conceited so let's end here. :slapshead:

stetan:

Sieg:

Why irrelevant? I am comparing JC issues happening in the same timeline. .

Its irrelevant because if you claim you are speaking out for the welfare of the less academically inclined , then the ITE chaps would be the most disadvantaged, no ? As I remember somebody did mentioned that the JC cohort forms the top 25% of the entire same age population.

Don't try to dodge the subject if you have nothing better to defend. You probably can't find the answer to my query too right?
All ITE students are treated as equal and not that some are told to merge due to dwindling birthrate issue while others can anticipate new modern premises for the same birthrate reason. I think our ministers have done a great job on that so far so I ain't going to touch on this.
My question is, why is your kid entitled to something better than others? Don't you feel for those affected? All because they are less exam-smart or academically-inclined so their hard work should be ignored?
Are those in top JCs guaranteed to be more work savvy, uphold better moral value, or excel in other talents in comparison?

Sieg:

The 4 absorbing JCs also have guaranteed cohort input..

Dwindling, no doubt and that's why there is a need to merge

So you agree that both EJC and the absorbing JCs have guaranteed cohort input. Then why should EJC be treated favourably in comparison? One will get new modern building while others will lose their names and a big part of heritage along with them in the same year.


What do you think of housing EJC students in the ex-SRJC premises come 2019?..

That's is up to MOE and the 3 feeder school to discuss. As somebody mentioned here, there is no problem EJC to go independent like RI or HCI if they wanted. But do you really want to have another top independent college ?

TBH, I would love to have another independent college as a taxpayer. Surely those who yearn to be in EJC but can't afford to can easily apply for financial assistance from the way you put it. Whether it will emerge top or not is for the future to tell.

Sieg:

I asked if your DC is in EJC, which I have already confirmed that, as I would like to know your opinion and to put yourself in the shoes of the affected alumni.

So you are in one of the affected alumni ? It's no wonder than you have such strong views[/quote]

You are wrong. I belong to the same alumni as most of our ministers' offsprings in my time. We are a humble JC without many facilities.Thus I am able to understand the plight of the average students better. My ex-JC inculcated upholding justice for everyone esp the weak, not just speaking up only if it benefited our own selfish needs.

stetan:

Sieg:

I am comparing EJC with the 8 JCs. Apple with apple.
Your DC in EJC, stetan?
As for ITE, you have to ask the government for the agenda...my guess is to attract more students and maybe to reduce social problems and youths who are at risk?

Your apple-to-apple analogy is irrevelant. Your contention is the govt was showing \"favouritsim\" to those students who are \"smarter\". My point to you is that is not true as the government is also building multimillion ITE colleges for those that are less academically inclined that could not even proceed to sec, JCs or polys.

Even if you want to compare EJC to the merged JCs, it is not an apple to apple comparison as EJC is an IP-college with already guaranteed cohort input from the 3 feeder schools unlike the merged JCs that have dwindling enrollment

BTW, do I need to have a DC in EJC then I am allowed to comment ?

Why irrelevant? I am comparing JC issues happening in the same timeline.
The 4 absorbing JCs also have guaranteed cohort input.
What do you think of housing EJC students in the ex-SRJC premises come 2019?
I asked if your DC is in EJC, which I have already confirmed that, as I would like to know your opinion and to put yourself in the shoes of the affected alumni.

ryanryan:

Sieg:

For what these noble people have contributed to our society, do we have to give priority and special treatment to our top students these days as they will be future leaders as well? Maybe yes. But are we doing them good by such partial treatment?
Maybe not.

Given the list of illustrious alumni that RI have produced that have benefitted Singapore immensely, why not ?

Ooops! But lucky the RI parents have already clarified themselves.

stetan:

Sieg:

That explains why you are supportive of the current arrangement of uplifting the new IP batch and discontinuing while disregarding the sentiments of some lower tier JCs with long history?
Well, the situation was different in our days when higher education was a luxury. There were less competition and the kampung spirit existed. These days, kids are much more pampered and self-centred. What message are we sending to them if we show favourism when they are still students? Yes, someone said they are encouraged to do social work aka service learning. But how many are actually doing it out of goodwill for the society if they aren't recorded in their report cards?

I was only responding to your question of whether older batches from RI was similarly \"pampered\", nothing else.

Why are you not complaining when the govt builds such grand and modern ITE colleges for the less academically inclined ? :scratchhead: Is that not \"favouritism\" as well ?

I am comparing EJC with the 8 JCs. Apple with apple.
Your DC in EJC, stetan?
As for ITE, you have to ask the government for the agenda...my guess is to attract more students and maybe to reduce social problems and youths who are at risk?

stetan:

Sieg:

Were they as pampered as the latest IP-JC batch?

Actually yes. When I was at the Grange Road campus, we were only one of 2 schools that had a swimming pool, ACS being the other. We had swimming lessons every week and an aircon library occupying the entire upper floor of the technical block. We also had gymnastics for PE lessons as we had a big gym with trampolines, pommo horses, beam bar e.t.c

That explains why you are supportive of the current arrangement of uplifting the new IP batch and discontinuing while disregarding the sentiments of some lower tier JCs with long history?
Well, the situation was different in our days when higher education was a luxury. There were less competition and the kampung spirit existed. These days, kids are much more pampered and self-centred. What message are we sending to them if we show favourism when they are still students? Yes, someone said they are encouraged to do social work aka service learning. But how many are actually doing it out of goodwill for the society if they aren't recorded in their report cards?

iRabbit:

Sieg:

For what these noble people have contributed to our society, do we have to give priority and special treatment to our top students these days as they will be future leaders as well? Maybe yes. But are we doing them good by such partial treatment?
Maybe not.

It was only when my ds entered RI this yr did I realize that RI actually has a long established community education prg. It aimed to encourage students to learn from the community while making a positive difference in the lives of others. Thru this prg, students can interact with local and overseas communities to volunteer services to the less privileged.

There is also this Raffles community initiative fund donated by the alumni which students can tap on for their community engagement projects. So the ORA doesn't just donate to funds for sch/needy students, but to funds for the community at large as well.

In addition, there is the interact club whereby members volunteer their services. For example, some will go around Bishan area giving free tuitions to the needy.

Community work is a big thing in RI - has always been and many students are still doing it. So I don't think it's fair to tar the sch's name bcoz of a select few.

I am sure there are pupils who sincerely do community work for the benefit of others while there are also a big load who do them to clock points and enhance their personal portfolio for future uni applications such as scholarships.
I think the reason someone brought up the few high profile notorious alumnus was to prove that being top in studies do not necessarily translate to being top in other areas. Not meant to tar RI image.