2021 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2009)
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Dear parents,
I just updated a post on school selection. Hope the insights help.
https://passioninlearning.wordpress.com/2017/11/25/school-selection/ -
happydaddy\" post_id=\"2048058\" time=\"1637802713\" user_id=\"5470:
Totally agree with you. After the first day of school, my ds told me tt he was surprised tt many of his classmates called their mum after class and spoke in Mandarin with China accent. My ds told me tt the Prc parents setup their own parent class chatgroup without the local parents. When I attended PTM or some school events, I was also surrounded by PRCs mums. I feel sad tt many local kids would have been \"squeezed\" out by these richer, highly educated and more resourceful parents who could afford expensive tuitions for their children. What Ri's ex principal said about Ri becoming a middle class school is really true.
Sad to say, most of the elit schools have many foreigners and PR. These are the group of people did very well ($$) and put Singaporean children in a disadvantage position. You seldom see a blue collar's kid get into elit school compare to old time.
The so call all schools are good schools are invalid because the ratio of people being successful in life between the elit and neighbour schools are too wide.
Even with Singaporean first, not many local children meet the requirement.
When I pass by or visit the following school, below is my opinion:
Look at RVHS, it is as good as China School.
Look at RI, never see so many Indian in the School.
Look at Hwa Chong/NYGHS, it is looks like a Rich School. The countless trail of luxury cars waiting to drive into the school.
And many more. -
jkorompis\" post_id=\"2048212\" time=\"1637818200\" user_id=\"193874:
I see, so the eligibility for the scholarship is only offered on psle results day. I understand about the DSA part. i was just thinking if it could be due to the fact that it's being offered to DSA students posted to independent schools First cos they r confirmed going into indep schools. As for the cut off, do they merely look at AL5/6 or the raw scores?[/quote]Actually the offer for ESIS is under section C of the same form as the selection of school, it will only appear on the form for those students who are in the top 3%. The form is structured in this way:
If the child is eligible for ESIS, the child will be informed on PSLE results day, NOT upon posting to independent school. The part about DSA is just saying that regardless whether the child enters the independent school via S1 posting or DSA, the child will be eligible for ESIS as long as the results meet the ESIS cut off.Luxedream\" post_id=\"2047985\" time=\"1637771077\" user_id=\"98340:
[quote=jkorompis post_id=2047887 time=1637754265 user_id=193874]
Actually AL5 may not be the cut off, cos ESIS letter may had been given to those who had been confirmed via DSA to an independent school. My rationale is that only those confirmed thru DSA going to Indep. schools got offered the scholarship first. need someone who's successful in dsa to an independent school and who scored AL6 to confirm if he/she got the scholarship too. other AL6s still need to go through posting to be placed in an indep. school. maybe by then , they will send out the eligibility letters. ESIS is meant for those attending indep schools only
Section A: selection choices for 6 sec school
Section B: Option for third language (only appear for cohort top 10%)
Section
Option for ESIS (only appear for cohort top 3%)
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LoveMyMelody\" post_id=\"2048232\" time=\"1637821955\" user_id=\"178604:
I am Singaporean, both my DD are in top schools as above (although different school due to influence of their respective primary school mates), my eldest has close indian friend/schoolmate, and younger has close PRC friend/shoolmates. They totally enjoy their friendship and had never heard them complain. Both my DDs go to schools by public transport, I don't see anything wrong. Both my DDs also had ESIS, and just to inform you ESIS is only for singaporeans.
Totally agree with you. After the first day of school, my ds told me tt he was surprised tt many of his classmates called their mum after class and spoke in Mandarin with China accent. My ds told me tt the Prc parents setup their own parent class chatgroup without the local parents. When I attended PTM or some school events, I was also surrounded by PRCs mums. I feel sad tt many local kids would have been \"squeezed\" out by these richer, highly educated and more resourceful parents who could afford expensive tuitions for their children. What Ri's ex principal said about Ri becoming a middle class school is really true.happydaddy\" post_id=\"2048058\" time=\"1637802713\" user_id=\"5470:
Sad to say, most of the elit schools have many foreigners and PR. These are the group of people did very well ($$) and put Singaporean children in a disadvantage position. You seldom see a blue collar's kid get into elit school compare to old time.
The so call all schools are good schools are invalid because the ratio of people being successful in life between the elit and neighbour schools are too wide.
Even with Singaporean first, not many local children meet the requirement.
When I pass by or visit the following school, below is my opinion:
Look at RVHS, it is as good as China School.
Look at RI, never see so many Indian in the School.
Look at Hwa Chong/NYGHS, it is looks like a Rich School. The countless trail of luxury cars waiting to drive into the school.
And many more. -
Timmy21\" post_id=\"2048107\" time=\"1637807152\" user_id=\"122721:
The system will first look at First choice list, allocate seats to those meet the cutoff , any remaining seats it goes to second row , and so forth. Once the seats are full in eg those who put at first choice , the system will stop looking further.
I think ACS(I) will be a \"safety net\" choice for you because it is very unlikely that AL9 (indicative by MOE) will leap to AL6. So you can afford to put RI and HCI in whichever order (1st / 2nd) you want and give it a shot. If it doesn't work out, you will get your 3rd choice of ACS(I).newstart2022\" post_id=\"2048083\" time=\"1637805431\" user_id=\"195956:
my boy got 6M, if we put
1st RI,
2nd HCL,
3rd ACS,
4th RV
Is it too risk to lost 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, if this year there are a lots 4 and 5, then cop for RI, HCL and ACS to 6 or below?
or we put
1st HCL
2nd ACS
3rd RV.
if sequence of choice matters, then maybe go HCL if this year there are a lots 4 and 5, then cop for RI, HCL and ACS to 6 or below?
Please advice.
If many AL9 scorers put ACSI as First choice and have taken all the seats then there won’t be seats left for those who put ACSI as 2nd or 3rd choice , even though they have lower scorer egAL6.
If RI is your kid dream school just go for it!
And congrats to your kid having an amazing result. -
dumbbells\" post_id=\"2048242\" time=\"1637823373\" user_id=\"189634:
correct me if I am mistaken.
The system will first look at First choice list, allocate seats to those meet the cutoff , any remaining seats it goes to second row , and so forth. Once the seats are full in eg those who put at first choice , the system will stop looking further.
If many AL9 scorers put ACSI as First choice and have taken all the seats then there won’t be seats left for those who put ACSI as 2nd or 3rd choice , even though they have lower scorer egAL6.
If RI is your kid dream school just go for it!
And congrats to your kid having an amazing result.
You compete at the score level first, then Citizenship, then choice, then random balloting
https://www.moe.gov.sg/microsites/psle-fsbb/posting-to-secondary-school/changes-to-s1-posting.html
(click to enlarge the picture under section \"School choice submission and tie-breakers\")
AL 6 will gets ACSI (doesn't matter if its 2nd choice or 3rd choice)
AL 9 will NOT get ACSI earlier than the above, (even if its the 1st choice)
Is that correct?
Choice order is used ONLY to tie-break
When two SG kids with AL9P selects ACSI, then 1st choice gets the slot over the 2nd choice.
(assuming 1 vacancy left) -
skii\" post_id=\"2048246\" time=\"1637823860\" user_id=\"82603:
Correct!
correct me if I am mistaken.dumbbells\" post_id=\"2048242\" time=\"1637823373\" user_id=\"189634:
The system will first look at First choice list, allocate seats to those meet the cutoff , any remaining seats it goes to second row , and so forth. Once the seats are full in eg those who put at first choice , the system will stop looking further.
If many AL9 scorers put ACSI as First choice and have taken all the seats then there won’t be seats left for those who put ACSI as 2nd or 3rd choice , even though they have lower scorer egAL6.
If RI is your kid dream school just go for it!
And congrats to your kid having an amazing result.
You compete at the score level first, then Citizenship, then choice, then random balloting
https://www.moe.gov.sg/microsites/psle-fsbb/posting-to-secondary-school/changes-to-s1-posting.html
(click to enlarge the picture under section \"School choice submission and tie-breakers\")
AL 6 will gets ACSI (doesn't matter if its 2nd choice or 3rd choice)
AL 9 will NOT get ACSI earlier than the above, (even if its the 1st choice)
Is that correct?
Choice order is used ONLY to tie-break
When two SG kids with AL9P selects ACSI, then 1st choice gets the slot over the 2nd choice.
(assuming 1 vacancy left) -
dumbbells\" post_id=\"2048242\" time=\"1637823373\" user_id=\"189634:
The system will first look at First choice list, allocate seats to those meet the cutoff , any remaining seats it goes to second row , and so forth. Once the seats are full in eg those who put at first choice , the system will stop looking further.
I think ACS(I) will be a \"safety net\" choice for you because it is very unlikely that AL9 (indicative by MOE) will leap to AL6. So you can afford to put RI and HCI in whichever order (1st / 2nd) you want and give it a shot. If it doesn't work out, you will get your 3rd choice of ACS(I).Timmy21\" post_id=\"2048107\" time=\"1637807152\" user_id=\"122721:
[quote=newstart2022 post_id=2048083 time=1637805431 user_id=195956]my boy got 6M, if we put
1st RI,
2nd HCL,
3rd ACS,
4th RV
Is it too risk to lost 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, if this year there are a lots 4 and 5, then cop for RI, HCL and ACS to 6 or below?
or we put
1st HCL
2nd ACS
3rd RV.
if sequence of choice matters, then maybe go HCL if this year there are a lots 4 and 5, then cop for RI, HCL and ACS to 6 or below?
Please advice.
If many AL9 scorers put ACSI as First choice and have taken all the seats then there won’t be seats left for those who put ACSI as 2nd or 3rd choice , even though they have lower scorer egAL6.
If RI is your kid dream school just go for it!
And congrats to your kid having an amazing result.[/quote]I am confused. I thought that the system allocates seats based on merit first, then choice order. Hence an AL6 who selects ACSI as 6th choice will always have priority (and get the seat first) over someone who scores AL7/8/9 and places ACSI as first choice. Choice order only matters for students who tie at the same AL. Is my understanding wrong? -
skii\" post_id=\"2048246\" time=\"1637823860\" user_id=\"82603:
Thanks for clarification. Sorry to interpret wrongly earlier 😊
correct me if I am mistaken.dumbbells\" post_id=\"2048242\" time=\"1637823373\" user_id=\"189634:
The system will first look at First choice list, allocate seats to those meet the cutoff , any remaining seats it goes to second row , and so forth. Once the seats are full in eg those who put at first choice , the system will stop looking further.
If many AL9 scorers put ACSI as First choice and have taken all the seats then there won’t be seats left for those who put ACSI as 2nd or 3rd choice , even though they have lower scorer egAL6.
If RI is your kid dream school just go for it!
And congrats to your kid having an amazing result.
You compete at the score level first, then Citizenship, then choice, then random balloting
https://www.moe.gov.sg/microsites/psle-fsbb/posting-to-secondary-school/changes-to-s1-posting.html
(click to enlarge the picture under section \"School choice submission and tie-breakers\")
AL 6 will gets ACSI (doesn't matter if its 2nd choice or 3rd choice)
AL 9 will NOT get ACSI earlier than the above, (even if its the 1st choice)
Is that correct?
Choice order is used ONLY to tie-break
When two SG kids with AL9P selects ACSI, then 1st choice gets the slot over the 2nd choice.
(assuming 1 vacancy left) -
jkorompis\" post_id=\"2048222\" time=\"1637821161\" user_id=\"193874:
with due respect, i think it doesn't make sense if ESIS purposely impose AL5 as the cut off for top 3%. The \" TOP 3%\" in itself means total raw scores logically. otherwise it is not fair to the AL6/AL7s whose scores are better than AL5s, whose efforts need to be rewarded.
So far, no parents have reported any AL6 students getting ESIS yet. And I also doubt MOE will do anything like this to complicate the selection criteria because AL grade is now the new rating system.Veyron\" post_id=\"2048060\" time=\"1637803070\" user_id=\"30663:
[quote=CCK2008 post_id=2048055 time=1637801817 user_id=26004]
Maybe MOE still used raw score to get the top 3%, so some AL6 may get ESIS award.
Furthermore if AL6 + ESIS is better than AL6, then many parents and students go back to the old ways of chasing after 100 marks just to qualify for ESIS.
no parents here have reported AL6s getting ESIS could be the fact that they are not in this forum or prefer to be low profile.[/quote]Unfortunately, that is the reality of the new AL system. Under this system, 90 is the new 100, there are no extra points for anything above 90. e.g. a student with a raw score of 99 99 99 89 will still be ranked lower than 90 90 90 90 in S1 posting.
The goal of the AL system is not to chase after every last marks, hence its unlikely MOE will use raw score marks to determine COP for ESIS., while using AL score for S1 posting. Between the 2, which do you think is more important? S1 posting or ESIS?
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