COP 2012 - For Secondary Schools in 2013

[Studious Alien]

Outsourcing:

Something for the experts here to ponder:


Assuming 3 students have the same 1st choice for SAP school Dunman high. All 3 meet Dhs cop requirement of 256. However, with the following scores:

A gets 255+1, B gets 254+2, C gets 253+3.

Base on merit of T-score, which I think exclude bonus points, A should be given the priority, followed by B and then C. Without even looking into the decimal marks, A should be selected ahead of B, followed by C. Am I right?

If the above scenario is truth, let us go to scenario 2. Assuming their 1st choices are Dhs.

D gets 255+1, E gets 254+3.

Again, based solely on T-score, D is standing ahead of E. Assuming D gets the last seat in Dhs when his turn comes. However, when it is E's turn to choose. E has a higher score of 257 then D's 256, after adding bonus points. The system will drop D in favour of E?

Experts, please enlighten.

Regards.

Hi,
For the first situation, it all depends on the decimal points as all three students would have 256.xxxxxx after adding the HCL points( Which will be immediately added to the original T- Score since DHS is a SAP school. )
However, I may be wrong as I'm just a student and not an expert.

[Louis]

Outsourcing:

However, I don't think the system takes bonus points into consideration initially. The queue is still based on scores without bonus points. D is in front of E, so last vacancy goes to D but E will ultimately squeeze D out.

Looks like many of these incidents do occur during the selection process.

D was not in after the T-score + Bonus point. Since D was not in, E did not squeez D out (unless D was offered a seat, which we know did not happen).

[Dreamgear]

Louis:

Outsourcing:

However, I don't think the system takes bonus points into consideration initially. The queue is still based on scores without bonus points. D is in front of E, so last vacancy goes to D but E will ultimately squeeze D out.

Looks like many of these incidents do occur during the selection process.

D was not in after the T-score + Bonus point. Since D was not in, E did not squeez D out (unless D was offered a seat, which we know did not happen).

D might not be in, but E is definitely in with 257, above the COP of 256.

[nav14]

EthanEthan:

nav14:

[quote=\"notfreemom\"]

I think not many ppl aware of TJC offering IP next year. And not many dare to be the first batch of new ip program

TJC is more established espcially since already have an IP programme for Sec 3 students and have a proven track record for JC. Much better than unknowns like SCGS, SNGS and CHS where they have no IP experience at all and will go on to form a brand new JC which will have many teething problems. Ironically COP for these 3 schools is higher than TJC. I believe got to do more with location as TJC is not as centrally located as the other 3.

Actually if you look at it, the new JC will have students feeding in from 3 top schools in singapore ( CHS, St Nicks, SCGS). It will no doubt be one of the top JCs that will be highly sought after as the cohorts' quality is at least equal or better than that for Cedar/Victoria which feeds into VJC.

Knowing how competitive getting into top JCs nowadays, getting into the IP program for CHS, St Nicks, SCGS gurantees the students into a JC, that no doubt will establish itself as one of the top in Singapore.[/quote]It will no doubt establish itself as one of the top JCs eventually but the potential of the initial batch of JC students may not be fully realised. Just hope that majority of the teachers for the new JC will be experienced teachers sourced from other JCs.

[AWSP]

Studious Alien:

Outsourcing:

Something for the experts here to ponder:


Assuming 3 students have the same 1st choice for SAP school Dunman high. All 3 meet Dhs cop requirement of 256. However, with the following scores:

A gets 255+1, B gets 254+2, C gets 253+3.

Base on merit of T-score, which I think exclude bonus points, A should be given the priority, followed by B and then C. Without even looking into the decimal marks, A should be selected ahead of B, followed by C. Am I right?

If the above scenario is truth, let us go to scenario 2. Assuming their 1st choices are Dhs.

D gets 255+1, E gets 254+3.

Again, based solely on T-score, D is standing ahead of E. Assuming D gets the last seat in Dhs when his turn comes. However, when it is E's turn to choose. E has a higher score of 257 then D's 256, after adding bonus points. The system will drop D in favour of E?

Experts, please enlighten.

Regards.

Hi,
For the first situation, it all depends on the decimal points as all three students would have 256.xxxxxx after adding the HCL points( Which will be immediately added to the original T- Score since DHS is a SAP school. )
However, I may be wrong as I'm just a student and not an expert.

I would think that MOE would implement the above by adding the HCL points when an SAP school is selected. Implementing it as a computer algorithm could be a little complex as ranking of the students now changes for the handful of SAP schools - but I guess a little recursive algorithmn could just do the work. If not some human intervention is possibly exercised.

[Pen88n]

AWSP:

Studious Alien:

[quote=\"Outsourcing\"]Something for the experts here to ponder:


Assuming 3 students have the same 1st choice for SAP school Dunman high. All 3 meet Dhs cop requirement of 256. However, with the following scores:

A gets 255+1, B gets 254+2, C gets 253+3.

Base on merit of T-score, which I think exclude bonus points, A should be given the priority, followed by B and then C. Without even looking into the decimal marks, A should be selected ahead of B, followed by C. Am I right?

If the above scenario is truth, let us go to scenario 2. Assuming their 1st choices are Dhs.

D gets 255+1, E gets 254+3.

Again, based solely on T-score, D is standing ahead of E. Assuming D gets the last seat in Dhs when his turn comes. However, when it is E's turn to choose. E has a higher score of 257 then D's 256, after adding bonus points. The system will drop D in favour of E?

Experts, please enlighten.

Regards.

Hi,
For the first situation, it all depends on the decimal points as all three students would have 256.xxxxxx after adding the HCL points( Which will be immediately added to the original T- Score since DHS is a SAP school. )
However, I may be wrong as I'm just a student and not an expert.

I would think that MOE would implement the above. But it will be interesting to look into the computer algorithmn because implementing it requires a few passes because the placement now not only depends on the ranking of the students but also the ranking changes with respect to the handful of SAP schools. Maybe, there is some form of human intervention and \"human heuristic\" involved and I am not going to be surprised about it.[/quote]This is simple programming to have logics to sort out SAP schools COP and even affiliation COP.

[AWSP]

Pen88n:

AWSP:

But it will be interesting to look into the computer algorithmn because implementing it requires a few passes because the placement now not only depends on the ranking of the students but also the ranking changes with respect to the handful of SAP schools. Maybe, there is some form of human intervention and \"human heuristic\" involved and I am not going to be surprised about it.

This is simple programming to have logics to sort out SAP schools COP and even affiliation COP.

On second thought, you are right. I was amending my earlier post when you posted.

[julialai]

Summary: Ranking of IP Schools based on COP 2013


Note:
~ COP 2012 in brackets
~ All IP schools are offering 'A' levels through train, except 3 which offers IB (International Baccalaureate)


1. Nanyang Girls' High School - 265 (262)

2. Raffles Girls' School - 263 (261)

3. Raffles Institution - 263 (261)

4. Hwa Chong Institution - 261 (258)

5. National Junior College - 259 (258)

6. Methodist Girls' School - 257 (-) IB

7. Anglo-Chinese School (Independent) - 256 (255) IB

8. Dunman High School - 256 (256)

9. River Valley High School - 256 (254)

10. CHIJ St Nicholas Girls' School - 255 (-)

11. Cedar Girls' School - 254 (258)

12. Victoria School - 252 (255)

13. Catholic High School - 252 (-)

14. Singapore Chinese Girls' School - 252 (-)

15. St Joseph Institution - 251 (-) IB

16. Temasek Junior College - 251 (-)

[kuts]

julialai:

Summary: Ranking of IP Schools based on COP 2013


Note:
~ COP 2012 in brackets
~ All IP schools are offering 'A' levels through train, except 3 which offers IB (International Baccalaureate)


1. Nanyang Girls' High School - 265 (262)

2. Raffles Girls' School - 263 (261)

3. Raffles Institution - 263 (261)

4. Hwa Chong Institution - 261 (258)

5. National Junior College - 259 (258)

6. Methodist Girls' School - 252 (257) IB

7. Anglo-Chinese School (Independent) - 256 (255) IB

8. River Valley High School - 256 (254)

9. Dunman High School - 255 (256)

10. CHIJ St Nicholas Girls' School - 255 (-)

11. Cedar Girls' School - 254 (258)

12. Victoria School - 252 (255)

13. Catholic High School - 252 (-)

14. Singapore Chinese Girls' School - 251 (252)

15. St Joseph Institution - 251 (-) IB

16. Temasek Junior College - 251 (-)

[lervin]

COP for Dunman High should be 256