octoberbaby:How much CEO's pay per month? $100,000? or more than that?
limlim:.
Indeed very good letter. Bravo!
Along the way, Mr Tan did not issue even a minor critics on SMRT. \"They could have done better.\" I understand he means \"They have been doing well\". What a joke.
raysusan:a letter i read from my FB[/quote]http://i.imgur.com/XG4to.jpg\">
:xedfingers:
[quote]Dear friends,
The following is a heartfelt letter by an ordinary Singaporean to Minister Tan Chuan Jin which was cc to me. It bears reading:
Dear Mr Tan,
I was very impressed by your composure during GE 2011, and I was in fact rather disappointed when I learnt that you were not made a full minister in your first term, unlike some of the other new candidates. But over the past few days, I have a change of heart, because I completely disagreed with your stance on the bus strike incident.
\"Taking the law into your own hands is wrong\".
But isn't it also wrong to retain, and worse, practise repressive laws that have been introduced in our Constitution over the years?
\"...regardless of their grievances, what the workers have done is illegal.\"
What the workers did was illegal, but didn't they do the right thing by speaking up for their own kind? If not for their courage, would SMRT have paid immediate attention to their living conditions? Would its CEO have made a personal visit to their dorms? Would you, and the rest of Singapore, even have come to know about the drivers' plight - that they don't even get to sleep in a rats-free, bugs-free environment after a hard day's work?
If \"we have zero tolerance for\" their \"unlawful action\", then why do we such high tolerance towards corporate mismanagement and workers' exploitation?
We all very well know that what is legal may not be right and what is illegal may not be wrong. The Constitution is written by the powerful in this country, and time and again, we see that it's also written to prolong the power of the powerful, and to reduce the power of the powerless.
You said the workers have to be \"dealt with in accordance with the the law\". Yes, you are dealing with them in accordance with the letter of the law, but your actions are completely at odds with the spirit of the law.
The legal instrument, first and foremost, should protect the interest of the most vulnerable, and not the most powerful in our society.
\"This illegal strike is not acceptable\", but using such hard-hitting approach against a group that's fighting for their basic rights is equally unwarranted.
The 'leaders' have now already been charged, remanded, and are likely to be fined, jailed, dismissed and banished. It cannot be undone by now. But I hope you can re-assess the merit of your approach.
Yes, it makes sense to send a stern warning to the community of transient workers here, to make it clear that going on strike will do them no good, so that we won't suffer any inconvenience as a result of disruption of essential services, so that foreign investors will not run away with their money. (It's an extremely outdated rhetoric, but yes, you used it once again, just like your predecessors.)
But this episode is also another clear signal to Singaporeans that the nail that sticks out gets hammered down. So suck it up when you're subjected to unfair treatment. If you're not a victim, don't even contemplate doing anything more than being a silent witness to injustices.
After all, doing the right thing will do you no good.
3Boys:Solutions are there:And your solution would be?concern2:
Ya - THIS IS THE BEST THEY CAN DO. Like it or not, it is a monopoly - if you don't like it, go get a car (and bear with the COE)
If cost of operations rise, then who bears the rise in costs? Its either fares or taxes, and I am ok with both, but don't turn a blind eye and imagine some magic can occur.
limlim:If the rule was followed, the owner would cash in only S$1000, because most likely the S$250 is the highest rental those workers are willing to pay. So, ...It is against HDB regulation.. HDB only allow 4 pax max per room.hquek:
Actually I heard from a chinese cleaner about her living arrangements. 6 pp share 1 room. Each pay the landlord $250 (thereabouts). I dunno about aircon. it's hdb flat btw (but I don't know which unit/block exactly). Amazing!
Sorry :offtopic:
hquek:Actually I heard from a chinese cleaner about her living arrangements. 6 pp share 1 room. Each pay the landlord $250 (thereabouts). I dunno about aircon. it's hdb flat btw (but I don't know which unit/block exactly). Amazing!JJ1111:[quote=\"phankao\"]
My mom rents out the spare room in her 3-rm flat for S$400+ and it's near MRT and big mall, so very convenient. But yes, no aircon, no internet, no heater. So if 2 persons share that room, each one around S$200-S$250, lor.
Wow can still get $400 rental. :yikes:
ChiefKiasu:I am thinking the same as you in fact.Cheval:... This is foolish. The lodging cost can only explain the difference in starting pay, not the that in pay increment! But that is exactly what SMRT management tries to make ppl believe. I hate elite fools ppl.
What is the difference between pay structures for determining the basic pay and annual increments? Do pay increments not end up as salary for staff?
I'm curious as to why you think companies should apply different policies for determining basic pay and annual increments. I'm probably missing something here... :?
MR06:“Veteran unionist and MP Halimah Yacob said this was probably because of SMRT's differing cost structures for the two groups of drivers.
Reliance on foreign bus drivers in sharp focus
http://motoring.asiaone.com/Motoring/News/Story/A1Story20121127-386059.html
limlim:Approx $200~$250/pax, share room.
Let's see what a foreign worker experiences and thinks.
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_032d3f6e0101db11.html
一般新加坡中国外劳可以赚多少钱 (2012-12-04 01:58:02)转载▼
有报道说,此次SMRT事件的导火线是加班问题。
那么加班对外劳有多重要，为什么给不给加班就能让外劳疯狂，为什么用“给不给加班”就能把中国外劳管理顺当。
有人说工资低点不要紧，多给点加班就行，每次回国探亲总要带点礼物给上司，为的就是多点加班。
加班为什么重要？？？
一般低文化外劳操作工，底薪在，550----1200之间，工作时间12小时或者8小时。&当然我举例是还是比较正规的企业，一些连续几月不休息，还拿不到1200每月的垃圾公司不在范围内。
如果700底薪，12小时轮班，没有加班，加上轮班津贴等，一个月也就拿1200左右
如果1200底薪，8小时，没有加班，也就1300左右。（8小时一般没有津贴）
由于工作准证，不可以兼责，所以休息，也就休息。
月收入1300怎么花？？
1.中介费一般4000到10000新币不等，我们取中间数，6500新币、也就是说一般合约两年，那么一个月先要还270中介费。
2.房租，如果劳工宿舍，应该270左右一人，像SMRT一样近10人挤在一起，外人不可以进入，进出可能检查物品。而且劳工宿舍根本无法满足。
另一种途径，合租政府组屋，一般5房室，3000一月。政府规定不超过9人。签两年合约要附一月租金做中介费。那么一人房租水电约400元。
3生活开支，电话，交通卡，吃饭等。一月至少500.
中介费270.房租400.生活费，500.合计===1170.
也就是说没有“加班”你两年白做。只有加班才是赚的钱。加班必须视企业情况而定，
看完这些，所有人，包括新加坡人，你也许明白了，加班对中国劳工有多重要。为什么会笨到去罢工，为什么政府组屋会住20个人，
当然这些不是最差的。本人初来新加坡在一家上市公司，底薪550，12小时。为了高点薪水，申请到药水部门，申请晚班，多50补贴，一个月，班加到满，也才1300。你说公司多加班犯法么，我知道。可你敢举报吗，你不要钱吗？我们为什么而来。
其实新加坡的法律政策，很多都是很好的，对外劳负责任有详细的条文，可惜被很多公司曲解了，潜规则了。
李叶明先生在微博，发起讨论，“当外籍劳工不再廉价”本人在新多年也是从最低外劳爬起来的，我只能提供现在廉价外劳的现状。这些是中等水平，700左右底薪是许多欧美日企业的中国操作工轮班标准，其他，小型本地企业就不论了。。
如果你问我想对这次罢工事件说些什么。我，绝对不支持罢工的行为。但我支持他们发出的声音。恳求政府，企业，大使馆，听到他们的声音，尊重他们的声音。把罢工扼制在萌芽阶段。简化外劳和政府沟通的程序，普及外劳最基本劳动权益保障，保护外劳最基本的投诉权利。尊重外劳提出的诉求。同工同酬不是外劳所一定追求的，不符合新加坡实际情况。在同工不同酬时，企业要对雇员尊重和解释。
他们的声音是什么------
我们来中国各地，同样流着华人血脉．我们东挪西借支付高额的中介费用．我们不远千里，离开亲爱的家人，离开体弱多病父母．离开相依为命的丈夫．离开需要母亲的孩子．一切同你们的祖先的当初漂海来南洋的愿望一样，让家活的象一个家，让我们的后代不再是穷人．我们来了．我们工作不辞劳苦．我们毫无怨言．我们把汗水全洒在这里．我们把希望寄托在这里，我们输不起，我们寄托着各种相似之苦，我们很多人两年才能回去一次，全家的嘴等着我们这双手，每当孩子把电话当妈妈叫．每当母亲说，孩子苦就回来吧，你们也许同样身为人母．你却体会不到这样的感觉．我们的泪水只有躲在厕所里流淌，我们只能哽咽着对母亲说，没事，这里全是华人，对我们全很好．然而有时候．我们总因为各种原因，开除。劝退，被骗，等，我们必须离开，这时，我们连东搓西借的本钱还没争回来就要被逼走．虽是逼可却没用刀．但刀伤的只是皮肤，这却伤的我们的心；
有时候，每当听到同胞被无比低的薪水骗来，我就心揪难过，亲们，黑心中介，贪心老板。你们信佛吗，你们相信报应吗．你们信耶酥吗？你们相信惩罚吗．如果你们有一点灵犀，你们一定会感觉到我们的心在流血．你一定看到那对着电话喊妈妈的孩子充满期待的目光．你一定看到那家里可怜的老人．．．当然，我们不需要可怜和施舍．因为我们同样跟过去闯南洋的前辈一样的有骨气，因为我是中国人．我们不怕苦，我是用勤劳的双手挣钱。
请给我们一点尊严，尊重，请不要把中国人三次字凉在一边。我们期待“融入狮城”
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