I’ve always wanted to move to Iceland or some scandanavian country. I LOVE the cold and HATE the sun… dunno why born here also…LOL.

Miss Angola is gorgeous, am glad she won.


Isn’t this like the first year in eons that Venezuela didn’t make top 10?

If totally no restrictions... the more the merrier! But only if guarantee can get all boys.


I only want boys. Luckily I've 3 and all boys. :imcool:

Way2GO:

One main justification given for paying top dollars to Ministers

is dat these ppl would be earning big bucks if not in gahmen.
Now dat WKS n 3 others are available, how come no large MNC
has rush in to grab these talents at a bargain price huh?

:rotflmao:

:goodpost:

I’m terribly confused. Isn’t PA supposed to serve the connection between govt and people and NOT PAP? And the duly elected WP MPs are part of the govt what?


Just as we have to accept the TT as President, these people need to accept that the WP MPs are now part of the govt.

Angelight:

Yup, DH said that TJS goes where the wind blows...I think he has to be more decisive on whether he wants to run in future GE or PE so that he will be taken more seriously and won't give others the impression of an opportunist.


And whether he contests in future GE or PE, he has to earn his credit by working on the grassroots level first, serving the community. Just talking about the 'heart' is no use. Talk is cheap, but action speaks louder than words. Just my 2 cents' view.

So far only one candidate from his running team in GE is still doing the groundwork, and that is Dr Vincent Wijeysingha. Saw him doing some block visits early this month.

limlim:

Way2GO:

mummyo, question on spoilt vote.

If voter puts a tick instead of a cross,
would d vote be considered spoilt or still valid?

I reply based on what I read from forums from pple who are counting agents.

It would be valid, as the intention is clear.

A signature would be invalid, as it could led to identification of the voter.

A tortoise would be invalid, as intention is not clear.

A cross in TT box + \"Good luck\" is valid, as intention is clear.

A \"I hate you\" is not valid as intention is not clear.

In any case, the ARO has the final say and his/her decision is final and binding.

ksi:

If based on GE guidelines, it is valid, even if you draw a \"tortoise\" on it.

Based on what I read from other forums, GE guidelines doesn't apply 100% to this PE.

From what i've observed this PE (note that I've no clue what happened during GE as I wasn't a Counting Agent then), ANY sort of marking will count towards the Candidate if that is the ONLY marking on the ballot paper. Eg, even if you write a curse word, draw a tortoise, put a tick, draw a circle, heart whatever as long as it is not a signature, it is counted as going towards that Candidate. Mind you, this marking can be on the name of the candidate, his photo, his symbol. Does not even need to be in the box where the cross is supposed to be in. They will allow it as long as there's no any other marking on other candidates strip.

Signature is spoilt vote as that identifies the voter. I heard in the GE that if there's a tick on one and cross on the other, some award it to the tick as intention is clear but some award it to the cross as the rightful marking is a cross.

However, this time I observed that once there is any sort of marking on 2 different candidates area then it is void. I've seen crosses that are in between 2 candidates strip on the ballot paper and those are void. Also void are crosses that are out of the box that eats into the other candidates strip. Although during the recount, the respective agents might have argued that the MIDDLE point of the cross should determine which candidate gets the vote.

Basically, there's no hard and fast rule and although most of the residing officers are VERY fair, there are some iffy ones and it also depends on how many counting agents there are. PAP will usually mobilised all the the RC and PA members to be Counting Agents. Each team/candidate can field one agent at each table and in every counting place there are about 3 to 5 tables.

For eg. for this PE, TT has one agent at each table (a total of 5 agents) at my counting centre whereas TJS has only 2 agents and TKL had NONE. As we rely on volunteers to come forward to help, this time we just didn't have enough agents to field 5 at each location so I had to run from table to table the whole night when the Residing Officer are alloting the iffy votes. Sometimes they just went ahead without all representatives present so I might have lost out some votes for TJS in those instances. And it's strength in numbers, you know what I mean, if all gang up, tell the RO that that vote is for them and no representative to fight for TKL then who do you think will get that iffy vote? :evil: :evil:

But thank goodness everybody was gracious at my centre so I can say that the process is very fair. I wasn't back for the recount as it didn't really change things for TJS. For all I know, things might have gotten ugly between TT and TCB's agents. From what I saw, I knew TCB couldn't have gotten round the 7000 vote deficit. As it was very fair, there would be no way they could have found 7000 iffy votes that were \"wrongly rejected\" and awarded them to TCB.

Angelight:

Yeah, and if that 1.8% of spolit votes had not been spoilt but given to TCB, he would have won... :gloomy:

Chenonceau:

[quote=\"DesertWind\"]Yup, could not help wishing TKL had pulled out and TJS did not appear! Then TCB would win.

Yeah... I feel it a pity too.

[/quote]The spolit votes are mostly spoilt intentionally. Means these people did not think that any of the 4 candidates should be the president or some couldn't decide so decided to spoil the vote.

If the choice was between TCB and TT, I would have spoilt my vote and maybe some of those who voted for TJS and TKL would have done the same. It doesn't necessarily mean that TCB will have won if TJS and TKL hasn't ran.

Fact of the matter is, TT garnered enough votes to win and now he is President.

Strparent:

For this PE, on hindsight yes, it happens again. We pushed too hard. We had a chance to settle for a small change to someone like TCB, but a substantial numbe rof us tried to push for MORE too fast with someone without PAP ties. much like we led 1-0, could have accepted it and defended, but some players went for broke to make it 2 or 3, and at the end, they equalise and it ended 1-1. Status quo.

For me personally, TCB is still NO CHANGE. To me, he is the same as TT. I feel that I can't count on either to speak up against their ex-colleagues should the need arises.

coolit:

In other countries, voting is not compulsory, it is only so in singapore.

It is NOT compulsory here either. You just don't show up at the polls and your name will be taken off the roll of Electors for the next round and only gets put back on when you re-register yourself as a voter. Eg. If you didn't show up to vote for the GE2011 in May, you won't have to vote this PE2011, GE2016 (if have etc.) and forever after unless you re-register yourself.