Before I go off from this forum, I would just like to pass on what I heard re: Indon FDWs coming back after home leave. To put your minds and your FDWs’ mind at ease. I heard that an FDW went to enquire at their embassy and was told that it is not true that they are being prevented from coming back. The cases involved had some "issue", she was told.

Grandmasharing:

POA Teacher:

I have not been to any maid agency for a long time, true.

You know why?
Cos my maid worked for me for ages, and we don't need one any more. So I haven't had to use any agent for a lonnnnng time.
Does that make me a horrible employer?

Also, you don't read well. I have replied to some employer here, saying that they are not fair in treatment of the maid.
Also, I have never defended anyone for ill-treating their maids or for non-payment of salaries etc. You are distorting whatever I posted, due to your own bias perhaps due to your experiences with bad employers. But I never defended them

Also, you so sure about my job history????

We know about your job history from your own mouth where you have stated in this forum that you are \"Ex MOE teacher. Though Principles of Accounts. ...doing tutoring..\" Are these your words??

However , after this discovery, you have changed your introduction to : \"Out of this .. it has become a BB bashing board.\"

So you are condemning & labelling Kaisu Parents Forum as a BB bashing board.\" ??

Isn't this in line with the sarcastic, biased and unfounded remarks you had made in the past 5 years including that attacking the work of NON-Governmental Organisations (NGO) which protect and house hundreds and thousands of maids , many had been illegally deployed and not paid salaries and abused in many other forms by employers?

Your maid had worked for you for ages. We have understood from your own posts that she had been one like many many others , suffered cutting of salary and repaying very \"huge maid loan\" for 7, 8 , 9 , 10 or 11 months ( CRISLO's $3850) due to employer employing them from unethical maid agents who passed on \"Employer's Agency Fee & Maid-Employment -Related Costs\" to the financially-exploited maids\" thus employers enjoy the exploitation of maids at Agency Fee of $0 , $1 , $38 , $55?

Such maids , having had their salaries been cut for months, have had no choice but to move on to accept whatever job conditions looking forward to finally starting to receive first salary. Yet we have seen many such maids whose employers maliciously withholding their salaries to compel completion of contract , allowing part payment of salary for remittance to families after maids' repeated begging. Worst still , we have also seen many Singapore employers forcing maids to renew contracts against maids' will by withholding $900, $1,500 as \"hostage\" to make sure that maids would return from \"Home Leave\" to work for another contract. We have seen such maids finally driven to run away to NGOs and MOM for help . These maids have been compelled by poverties and continued dire need to support their families to tolerate exploitation by such cruel Singapore employers to work for 3 years , 5 years ..because a big sum of their hard-earned salaries have been held hostage by their cruel employers.

Those who have involved in NGOs' work interacting with \"Run away maids\" and have access to many untold , unreported maid-exploitation stories will fully agree with me and we hope you guys will share your experiences here for the benefits of all prospective employers.

Maids work for ages for the same employers fall into the following categories :

1) Lucky and truly good maids working for good and law-abiding employers who pay salary on time, giving maids off days with adequate food & rest ;

2) Lucky maids with \"not-so-good\" qualities but working for good and law-abiding employers who are \"chinchai\" -easy-going\" who are willing to lower expectation to keep the employer-maid relationship moving on for years..

3) Unlucky maids , submissive , isolated without hand-phone or freedom of calls and thus completely uninformed with salaries withheld by \"Bad & law-breaching employers as facilitated by colluded bad unethical maid agents.

We congratulate you for being lucky to have kept your maid working for you for ages!! For the benefits of all employers , existing ones or employers- to- be , why not you share your secrets of success to us through this forum which should be used as a platform for all Singaporeans to :

1) Share good maid-management practices in terms of off days timing, hand-phone usage, provision of food and rest time etc..

2) Reveal untold, unreported \"bad and law-breaching employers' abusive acts and malpractice which you have detected and help the abused maids to report such employers to NOM , Police or NGOs..

3) Reveal and report to MOM all \"covered-up\" law-breaching acts and malpractices committed by \"Bad and unethical maid agents\" who have colluded with \"bad and law-breaching employers\" you have discovered.

Tell honestly & fairly the full facts of the Goods & the Bads , the rights and the wrongs of maids, employers and maid agents to all readers to make this forum a truly useful and fair forum for every body. Please start from you ?

There you go again, jumping to the worst and unjustified conclusions, assuming the worst of employers, putting words in my mouth. My FDW salary deduction was not 7 to 11 months. It was 5 months which was the norm then (or maybe lower than the norm?).So who's the one making unfounded remarks? I chose that particular agent (not Chrislo) for this reason: he was willing to let me have a copy of the contract before I committed to getting a FDW from him. No other agent would do so.
Btw, I don't like dealing with the agents. My previous maid to that was sourced myself. I paid her 30% above new maid's pay cos I'd rather pay extra to the worker than to the agent though I knew that total cost to me would work out to more than going to an agent.

I did not attack the NGO's work per se. Some FDWs need help from their employers. eg I recently told my FDW to tell her friend's friend's friend to go embassy or MOM etc to complain about employer cos her employer deducted 1 month salary when they went on holiday.
What I object to is theitendency to assume the worst of ALL FDW employers (as you have assumed about my maid's loan). I know that some employers are bad. But they are certainly not anywhere near as plentiful as you guys make it sound. And from personal experiences (not my FDWs) many maids are problematic too. It is not always the employer at fault.
I once helped a runaway maid- relayed her complaints to agent etc and helped her to go home- She wanted to go home, not that they kicked her out. She was one of the problematic ones and lasted less than 24 hours in 2nd employer. She accused employer of not feeding her, agent of not feeding her. I got scolded by agent for accusing them-- said they got proof that she ate more than the family members. Got scolded for calling up every day to talk to the girl. We brought food to her everyday at the agent's. etc. It's not always the employer's fault.

Also, my maid is a chatty person, talking to everyone of her fellow FDWs we come across (complete strangers on the road, at the park etc)-- I don't stop her. Many times she spoke to runaway maids or transfer maids. When she asked them why they transfer/ run off .. 100% reply was employer/ ah mah \"talk too much\". Then when we asked, \"Did employer hit you?\" 100% answered \"No\". To their fellow FDW they told the truth.
Are we going to shame such employers?

You want to know secrets of my success in keeping my FDW for so long? ... shut eyes and ears. Look for good points, and shut out the bad.
I doubt that my FDW would have lasted a year in most homes. I get comments from relatives, salespersons, taxi driver even, cos she's rude to me, even yells at me. eg Taxi driver told me \" You better send her back to agent\" cos she screamed at me.
Ok? It's tolerance, not entirely good luck. But I don't think I have what could be called good management practice.
Similarly, my previous one may not have been tolerated by some of the people here. Her bf would call her on our house phone ( mobile phones were not common then), and I would pass the phone to her.

But everyone has good and bad points in them. So look for the good and ignore the bad ...if you can. If you want perfection in a FDW,you will forever be changing FDW. Similarly for FDWs looking for perfect employer.

I don't intend to be back here in Domestic Help. I won't be getting replacement FDW, have to do my share of the housework.

Also my post on 10 July 2014:


jojostc wrote:

I have a maid for 9 mths, and she also have finished her loan with the agent. can i just terminate her contract and send her back to her own country without keeping the maid agency in the loop?

Why are you thinking of sending her back?
She has worked for 9 months but earned next to nothing.
Let her get a transfer. Unless she has done something drastic.
If you don’t need her any more, or you’re just not satisfied with her work, let her get a transfer.

For example:in All about full Time maids.


To me \"restricted FROM \" making calls means cannot make calls, period.

But as for your comment on restricting calls home to once a month, actually I do think that that IS inhumane. As long as she does not expect us to pay for her personal calls, to me, she can even call every day if she so wishes (though that's overdoing it).



I try to not take sides. I try to see both sides.

I have not been to any maid agency for a long time, true.

You know why?
Cos my maid worked for me for ages, and we don’t need one any more. So I haven’t had to use any agent for a lonnnnng time.
Does that make me a horrible employer?

Also, you don’t read well. I have replied to some employer here, saying that they are not fair in treatment of the maid.
Also, I have never defended anyone for ill-treating their maids or for non-payment of salaries etc. You are distorting whatever I posted, due to your own bias perhaps due to your experiences with bad employers. But I never defended them

Also, you so sure about my job history???

Taurus22:

For those who are reading this thread the first time and have been ignorance of how prevalent and wide-spreading illegal deployment of maids is, we should be glad that this thread is posted to help enhance & spread awareness, hopefully through other forums , of the malpractices undertaken by many unethical employers and colluded agents which are not reported in media and any internet forum.


Undoubtedly, there are many bad maids, bad maid agents and equally many bad employers.

However, what is different is , employers have been given so much protections behind the scene / hidden behind internet forums to unfairly and mercilessly \"Bad-mouth and attack \"the so called \"bad maids\" with these maids' full details - full names, photographs , work permit numbers being unreservedly exposed here and there.

On the other hand, are the so-called \"bad maids\" being similarly given a chance or being notified to open up their sides of the \"bad stories / breaches \" of their \"bad employers\"? What kind of protection do these maids have ? The exposures of the so-called \"bad maids\" urging for blacklisting is done in open space without any cover , any shield and is therefore totally one-sided and even could be dubious while the employer-cyber attackers are completely protected & shielded behind internet forum with the safest protections.

Maids' unverified \"Bad Employment History\" are revealed without any reservation. In sharp contrast , any single \"bad employer\"'s \"bad Employment History\" has been revealed to the maids who seek employment or transfer. Who is protected and who is not protected at all?

\"Bad Maids\" can be mercilessly exposed and shamed in public in any space and any form, why is it that \"Bad employers\" who have committed offences of illegally deploying maids of maids can enjoy special privilege of not to be publicly exposed and shamed together with the \"Bad colluded Maid agents\" with full details in maids' Facebook or in any other way maids deem deserve to have their side of their stories heard and to get back their justice in this country built by our late Founder Prime Minister, Mr Lee Kuan Yew based on Justice and Equality?

Maid's UNVERIFIED bad employment history listed by who? re you referring to MOM's listing of maid's employment history? The list is unverified???????
Employer's bad employment history is not listed? An employer with many changes of maid in short period is BANNED from employing a maid, while maid with many changes just has her employment history listed on MOM website .

Btw, when you apply for a job, not only as a maid, do you have to list your employment history or not???
And does your potential employer have to supply details of his employment history for you to see?

There is Google translate.

There are English-Burmese apps.

Don’t understand why they want to force the FDW to give $$$ to the agents,

The excuse they give is ridiculous… that their embassy will have their contacts etc.
Many of the girls being stopped are returning from holidays. And most would have their employers’ address etc on their passports.

Also, like this hor… the FDWs who still want to continue working here will not be able to go home for holidays.

bb_ mom:

I was considering sending for laundry for DH shirts but it takes a bit of time for the them to be returned. And he only has enough for about a week and a half.

Go shopping for a few extra shirts
I myself just went shopping for more clothing yesterday... cos I will soon be joining the Life Without Maids club soon. Cos I won't be washing so often as my FDW.

Angelique:

jacsplace:

How to calculate salary if maid's last day is on the 11th?


TIA

My Filipina maid's last day worked was 11th, her salary is $500
2 off days included in her salary so 500 divide by 28 working days =17.8571429 times by 11 days= $196.428571 which is $ 196. 42cents.
So her 11 days worked is $196 and I paid her $200.

So glad my crazy maid has gone for good, now she is leeching off another employer for free holiday and wifi!

Filipino maid salary is $500 only? I thought more?