All About Autism
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ImMeeMee:
All else being equal, I would be very surprised if employers were to pay individuals who study in special schools lower wages for the same kind of work as those who do not study in special schools.
That part about if child received diagnosis in order to enter special school and child receive lower wages -phtthp:
[quote=\"mashy\"]
The thing is whether it is necessary to declare to the big companies even if they ask for it?
And medical history are declared only after they are offered the job. I think if the child is high functioning, by the time he is of employment age, it won't look obvious that anything is different.
If he is obviously autistic, then he will of course get a lower pay, whether he was diagnosed or not.
And I would say those who got lower wages are those who couldn't get into mainstream schools and had to go to special schools.
Once you are in special schools, then there's no denying that you will get lower wages. And in order to get into special schools, u need a diagnosis.
What I'm countering here aren't children from special schools but those who are deemed well enough to be in mainstream schools.
Those who manage to pull through mainstream schools and able to control their behaviour are able to get a normal life like others, with or without a diagnosis.
hope not true.
Because children who go Pathlight are high functioning, not fair that they receive lower wages.
Of course, individuals who study in special schools that focus on vocational training may get lower wages as a cohort, but that could be because currently vocational positions are paid lower than that white-collar jobs in general.
So it should not be a case of whether one studies in special schools, but rather the types of jobs that the individuals take up.[/quote]Unfortunately that's not true.
my cousin is deaf. She's only paid a miserly $300 packing ear phones for the airlines. Maybe it's higher now but it should still be less than $1k. They can't do the same kind of work because they won't be getting the same qualifications in the special schools. I think the best comparison will be the food industry. The amount given is an allowance. Not a pay. So yes, they are paid lower.
There are plenty of discrimination in this country. Just like former convicts aren't paid the same even if they had a degree. It's not fair but many simply accept because the other option is no job at all. -
Not everyone with a disability is able to find a job let alone hold on to it. Know someone who is blind and unable to find a job for years.
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12mum:
If have physical disability, in a way they are disadvantaged, somehow.Not everyone with a disability is able to find a job let alone hold on to it.
Know someone who is blind and unable to find a job for years.
Last time my friend worked as a programmer in a local bank.
She is not 100 % totally deaf, but can't hear properly.
She need a hearing aid, and during meetings, sometimes she can't hear properly what her colleagues were discussing about work issue.
She told me her salary as a IT programmer, was lower than what the market rate was paying, then.
Sometimes, her supervisor had to repeat a few times, the programming requirements to her. -
phtthp:
See, here's proof already that they are paid lower because of disability. But high functioning autism can still possibly hide. Quirky behaviors can be attributed to just being quirky. There are plenty out there like that. Don't some of us had some weird colleagues before? Don't think it affects salary unless they piss off the boss. And if you don't declare, who knows?
If have physical disability, in a way they are disadvantaged, somehow.12mum:
Not everyone with a disability is able to find a job let alone hold on to it.
Know someone who is blind and unable to find a job for years.
Last time my friend worked as a programmer in a local bank.
She is not 100 % totally deaf, but can't hear properly.
She need a hearing aid, and during meetings, sometimes she can't hear properly what her colleagues were discussing about work issue.
She told me her salary as a IT programmer, was lower than what the market rate was paying, then.
Sometimes, her supervisor had to repeat a few times, the programming requirements to her.
If physically disability like can't walk, maybe salary and promotion won't be as affected? I had a colleague who is managerial level and he goes around in a wheel chair. He has celebral palsy.
Medical insurance is definitely affected. So in order not to suffer from it, buy all the necessary insurance like hospital, education, life etc before diagnosis. Coz in insurance, they don't care if you are high functioning or low functioning, all considered same risk. -
If apply for private sector jobs -
Yes, can omit primary school attended.
But if apply for government sector jobs -
the application forms are very detailed & specific.
They asked for primary school, secondary school attended previously, etc. sometimes when you submit the application form back to them, the admin officer preparing candidates for interview in the waiting room, will check the application form detail that you had submitted, plus request photostated certificates of results, to be submitted. Sometimes, after checking, she can come back and ask why you did not fill up this column or that section ? -
mashy:
I do not know how the discussion evolved to this. This is probably a one sided view. Usually employers seek to pay a fair wage. It is common knowledge that if one pays too low, the employee will leave and it is disruptive to work. In today's environment, there is a manpower crunch and every employer values his employee. Of course, communications to hiring managers will never be perfect so the execution is not perfect. Even if well communicated, you will be amazed at how some will get personal and stubbornly refuse to play ball.
For an employer, they will always find an excuse to give u a lower wage. It doesn't matter even if u are not autistic.
I think you folks are gazing too far into the crystal ball. By the time our kids go to work, it will be a different world with a different setting. My simple mind tells me if a child is sick, go get help and not worry about stigmas. -
tyeogh:
I think you folks are gazing too far into the crystal ball. By the time our kids go to work, it will be a different world with a different setting. My simple mind tells me if a child is sick, go get help and not worry about stigmas.
I agree with this. I feel there is little point in worrying about what may be the repercussions 20+yrs in the future when there is a need to be met now. Today's concerns are enough for today. -
slmkhoo:
Agree. I think it's more important to address whatever that's needed for the child now than to worry abut future employment or stigma. If a diagnosis can help, you should go and get it and not worry about the future unknown implications.tyeogh:
I think you folks are gazing too far into the crystal ball. By the time our kids go to work, it will be a different world with a different setting. My simple mind tells me if a child is sick, go get help and not worry about stigmas.
I agree with this. I feel there is little point in worrying about what may be the repercussions 20+yrs in the future when there is a need to be met now. Today's concerns are enough for today. -
Couragemom:
CouragemumHi Mashy,
Great to see you post on the thread again! You MIA for awhile and I thought I won't 'see' you here again.
Hi parents,
So happy to announce that my son can properly hold a cup and drink from it without spilling and choking on the water. Haiz... Happy with tinge of sadness about how something we take for granted for our NT kid become a milestone celebration for our special darlings.
My next target - getting my son to rinse and spit out the water during brush teeth time. He tried to imitate his sister but he cannot spit out but swallow the water instead. Any advice?
My son couldn't spit out the water until he is close to 4 years old I think. So your son is not too slow. But agree with some of the methods that mummies here provided, I also got my son to look at something in the basin and ask him to spit on it. Somehow, is easier for them when they have a target. -
My boy is 5 and was previously diagnosed with very mild ASD.
Wish to know if any parents here can share with me their experiences on how ASD child enrolling into mainstream primary school adapt well in there.
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