Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates
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Imp75\" post_id=\"2025151\" time=\"1621921031\" user_id=\"2358:
Hmm I wonder if these are the people getting Covid-19.
I am not trying to discredit anyone but no matter how tight the SMMs are, it all boils down to individuals to strictly observe it. How many times have we seen smokers huddling around maskless and chit-chatting at the obscure smoker's corner.
I feel very sad for the cleaners....they have been disproportionately infected. -
Imp75\" post_id=\"2025151\" time=\"1621921031\" user_id=\"2358:
I agree. There have been SHN facilities operating for more than a year, and the airport has been receiving arrivals for months. Any recent leakage is more likely from a human lapse, Covid fatigue or whatever you want to call it, in following protocols, rather than that the protocols are not strict enough. It's good that they have tightened protocols even more to try to prevent similar lapses, but if individuals don't follow, there is only so much the authorities can do. And in a way, it means that many people who don't really need that level of policing have to bear with it because of some who are likely to lapse without that policing.
I am not trying to discredit anyone but no matter how tight the SMMs are, it all boils down to individuals to strictly observe it. How many times have we seen smokers huddling around maskless and chit-chatting at the obscure smoker's corner. -
doodbug\" post_id=\"2025153\" time=\"1621921644\" user_id=\"13281:
Hmm I wonder if these are the people getting Covid-19.Imp75\" post_id=\"2025151\" time=\"1621921031\" user_id=\"2358:
I am not trying to discredit anyone but no matter how tight the SMMs are, it all boils down to individuals to strictly observe it. How many times have we seen smokers huddling around maskless and chit-chatting at the obscure smoker's corner.
I feel very sad for the cleaners....they have been disproportionately infected.
The main difference should be a more transmissible variant of the virus, from a \"country that cannot be named\" and subsequently landed on our shore.
If even the hospital cannot prevent the transmission, how likely is it that a \"cleaner\" with limited medical knowledge and having to labor to clean SHN rooms that have been inhibited for 14 days can. Don't forget that there are people who claims that they cannot \"breath\" even when brisk walking with mask. How is it that we can expect a cleaner who must vacuum and scrub the toilet can do it with PPE on 100% of the time with no slips in between. The 53 year old cleaner, case 62933 have also been fully vaccinated, receiving her first dose on 24 Jan 2021 and her second dose on 16 Feb 2021. -
Deleted my post as info has been shared by others.
slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2025108\" time=\"1621901133\" user_id=\"28674:
Sometimes in the newspapers, but I don't know if there is a website that tracks this closely daily.starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2025101\" time=\"1621894246\" user_id=\"14025:
Is there a website where one can check on the current clusters and their number of infected?
The news said the JEM/Westgate is the 2nd largest cluster after Changi Airport ???
I think the reason the Jem/Westgate cluster has grown so big is that some of the other smaller clusters may have been linked to it, and there were 6 new cases reported yesterday. Not suprising considering that so many people go to Jurong East and cross paths. I can't actually figure out the clusters as the way things are reported isreally not easy to decipher. I don't know if MOH intentionally does this, or it's just poor reporting. Some poor journalist will have to untangle it all and make a graphic, I guess. -
slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2025108\" time=\"1621901133\" user_id=\"28674:
From CNA website
Sometimes in the newspapers, but I don't know if there is a website that tracks this closely daily.
I think the reason the Jem/Westgate cluster has grown so big is that some of the other smaller clusters may have been linked to it, and there were 6 new cases reported yesterday. Not suprising considering that so many people go to Jurong East and cross paths. I can't actually figure out the clusters as the way things are reported isreally not easy to decipher. I don't know if MOH intentionally does this, or it's just poor reporting. Some poor journalist will have to untangle it all and make a graphic, I guess.![](\"https://cna-sg-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/q_auto,f_auto/image/14881422/16x9/991/557/f96c3e619afc13dfa1a2f4e9da6a7033/kY/jem-westgate-cluster-may-25.png\")
https://cna-sg-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/q_auto,f_auto/image/14881422/16x9/991/557/f96c3e619afc13dfa1a2f4e9da6a7033/kY/jem-westgate-cluster-may-25.png\">
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slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2025154\" time=\"1621921705\" user_id=\"28674:
Needless to say, there must be lapses and flaws that is why CAG announced that those flying in from high risk countries must now be segregated from the rest.
I agree. There have been SHN facilities operating for more than a year, and the airport has been receiving arrivals for months. Any recent leakage is more likely from a human lapse, Covid fatigue or whatever you want to call it, in following protocols, rather than that the protocols are not strict enough. It's good that they have tightened protocols even more to try to prevent similar lapses, but if individuals don't follow, there is only so much the authorities can do. And in a way, it means that many people who don't really need that level of policing have to bear with it because of some who are likely to lapse without that policing.Imp75\" post_id=\"2025151\" time=\"1621921031\" user_id=\"2358:
I am not trying to discredit anyone but no matter how tight the SMMs are, it all boils down to individuals to strictly observe it. How many times have we seen smokers huddling around maskless and chit-chatting at the obscure smoker's corner.
Plus from now on, all cleaners must be fully vaccinated and given PPE and trained etc. to protect themselves.
Sometimes staff / human lapse could also mean from top down, management didn’t walk the ground or do enough spot checks? LOL.
Yes, for the past 15 months, there wasn’t any major leakage at the airport but that’s because the old variant is less transmissible. But we can read from newspapers that over at India, the country is like in a state of crisis already and even SG netizens also know how to call out for temporary closure of the borders etc. How can the CAG not sense the impending danger and could only lamely claim that they now know the virus is more transmissible?
I now understand what the netizens always said, our leaders are reactive and not proactive. -
tankee\" post_id=\"2025166\" time=\"1621924541\" user_id=\"6927:
If the possible index case visited Westgate on May 6, infection confirmed on May 7, any reason given as to why free swab tests for those who visited between May 10 (why not May 6?) and May 22? Was her Westgate visit very short on May 6? :?
From CNA website
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Free COVID-19 swab tests are now available to people who visited Jem or Westgate between May 10 and May 22. The tests were previously offered to those who visited between May 10 and May 14.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-jem-westgate-cluster-50-cases-free-swab-tests-14880200 -
I am also of the view that this current slate of community cases is not entirely attributable to human lapses in not aboding by protocols.
None of the airport workers want to purposely kena Covid. Perhaps the protocols were not strict enough at airport / TTSH. Anyone holding a drink or snack or food in hand can remove their mask to consume it - whether it be in airport or hospital setting. The protocol used to allow for it.
Also, prior to the latest advice on masks, we also didn’t know that we need to get masks of a certain filtration.
Compliance with protocols is not perfect - how much this contributed to the current community spread, I am not sure. But I don’t think we should be quick to blame the individuals who caught Covid and assume they are non-compliant with protocol or that it is due to their human lapses. Some of them are trying very hard - like the cleaners in my office - they went for vaccine early even though they were reluctant, and their cleaning regimes and workload have increased drastically and they have to perform their duties in masks and gloves and all - must be mighty uncomfortable. -
coast\" post_id=\"2025171\" time=\"1621925493\" user_id=\"38933:
If the possible index case visited Westgate on May 6, infection confirmed on May 7, any reason given as to why free swab tests for those who visited between May 10 (why not May 6?) and May 22? Was her Westgate visit very short on May 6? :?tankee\" post_id=\"2025166\" time=\"1621924541\" user_id=\"6927:
From CNA website
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Free COVID-19 swab tests are now available to people who visited Jem or Westgate between May 10 and May 22. The tests were previously offered to those who visited between May 10 and May 14.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-jem-westgate-cluster-50-cases-free-swab-tests-14880200
That is also the question that I have. They assumed that the cleaner is the cause of the JEM/Westgate cluster, but the cleaner only visited Westgate on 6 May 2021. Between 6 May to 10 May is 4 days in between, if the authorities is confident that this is the person, why did they not extend the testing to between 6 May and 22 May. And how about the source that infected the cleaner, has they been identified during SHN and what case number are they or is the source still unknown, and somewhere among us? -
WE2012\" post_id=\"2025179\" time=\"1621927302\" user_id=\"138082:
If the possible index case visited Westgate on May 6, infection confirmed on May 7, any reason given as to why free swab tests for those who visited between May 10 (why not May 6?) and May 22? Was her Westgate visit very short on May 6? :?coast\" post_id=\"2025171\" time=\"1621925493\" user_id=\"38933:
[quote=tankee post_id=2025166 time=1621924541 user_id=6927]
From CNA website
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Free COVID-19 swab tests are now available to people who visited Jem or Westgate between May 10 and May 22. The tests were previously offered to those who visited between May 10 and May 14.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-jem-westgate-cluster-50-cases-free-swab-tests-14880200
That is also the question that I have. They assumed that the cleaner is the cause of the JEM/Westgate cluster, but the cleaner only visited Westgate on 6 May 2021. Between 6 May to 10 May is 4 days in between, if the authorities is confident that this is the person, why did they not extend the testing to between 6 May and 22 May. And how about the source that infected the cleaner, has they been identified during SHN and what case number are they or is the source still unknown, and somewhere among us?[/quote]Could be the 2 weeks incubation period since yesterday is already 24 May
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