Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates
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doodbug\" post_id=\"2039813\" time=\"1632906256\" user_id=\"13281:
Thats is a good question
Can someone tell me, how many new QOs are being issued each day, given that there are more than 1000 cases a day?
On average, if one positive case leads to 30 QOs, we have 30,000 new QOs issued each day? I certainly hope not. Crazy disruptive if so. And the resources going to QO will be scary if even half of them go to GQF.
Looking at this telegram chat
https://t.me/SGQuarantineOrder
Seem to be very out of control to me -
zac's mum\" post_id=\"2037288\" time=\"1631242378\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2037288 time=1631242378 user_id=53606]
Looking at those who have died, it seems like the underlying medical conditions are the important factor in whether you survive Covid or not. The vaccination does not seem to prevent severe illness and death if you have underlying conditions.
I would like to see in the daily update:
- how many in ICU
- how many seriously ill (needing oxygen supplementation)
Of these, provide breakdown of:
- exact age, gender
- underlying medical conditions (what are they?)
- vaccination status[/quote]
Shouldn’t this be the main screening condition now?
The asymptomatic people are just red herrings.
So is the vaccination status. -
For many seniors, dont they tend to have high blood, high cholesterol etc which are considered as underlying health conditions?
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starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2039833\" time=\"1632912474\" user_id=\"14025:
Yes, that’s why I want to know, what have our medical professionals discovered so far.
For many seniors, dont they tend to have high blood, high cholesterol etc which are considered as underlying health conditions?
Should we be worried for our 2-3x vaccinated but unhealthy/overweight seniors? I would think so. -
starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2039833\" time=\"1632912474\" user_id=\"14025:
Yes. Most elderly wld hv one of the 3 “high” or all of it and other pre-existing conditions that are pre-disposition for covid infection.
For many seniors, dont they tend to have high blood, high cholesterol etc which are considered as underlying health conditions?
MIL hv 2 of the 3, but she’s very vigilant in observing careful care & rarely go out of home except for medical appts & weekends at our place. She’s in her 80s but still keep a regimen of exercise at home, cooks for herself & BIL and enjoys her home entertainment. Yet, I’m thankful she’s not particularly anxious unlike her siblings which she tried counselling them to be more cooperative. She abstain fr visiting my other nephews & nieces esp those very young kids & those facing major exams. I chuckle & tease her for working the other way round. -
zac's mum\" post_id=\"2039831\" time=\"1632911387\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2039831 time=1632911387 user_id=53606]
Blue - I believe the no. of elderly who contract Covid is higher (not sure how much higher) than the no. who are seriously ill. And most of them will have one of the risk factors like diabetes, high BP etc. So I do believe the vaccine helps protect, but not 100%. I think we can also pretty much ignore vaccination status, but only because so many are vaccinated now.
Looking at those who have died, it seems like the underlying medical conditions are the important factor in whether you survive Covid or not. The vaccination does not seem to prevent severe illness and death if you have underlying conditions.
Shouldn’t this be the main screening condition now?
The asymptomatic people are just red herrings.
So is the vaccination status.[/quote]
And I agree, the asymptomatic people can be ignored. -
doodbug\" post_id=\"2039821\" time=\"1632907951\" user_id=\"13281:
I just asked someone - hey, MOH used to report on the daily number of QO people, number in GQF, number of QOs at home etc. How come I can't find that info anymore on the MOH website?
Ho Ching? :rant:pirate\" post_id=\"2039819\" time=\"1632906945\" user_id=\"66252:
[quote=doodbug post_id=2039813 time=1632906256 user_id=13281]Can someone tell me, how many new QOs are being issued each day, given that there are more than 1000 cases a day?
On average, if one positive case leads to 30 QOs, we have 30,000 new QOs issued each day? I certainly hope not. Crazy disruptive if so. And the resources going to QO will be scary if even half of them go to GQF.
The person replied - maybe they have lost count?
Are they still contact tracing and QO-ing or not ah?[/quote]I believe that they have either lost count, or cannot catch up with the counting. It's like the \"pingdemic\" in the UK after their Freedom Day when so many people were told to self-isolate that many shops and services had to be closed. Hopefully, Singapore, like the UK, will come to its senses and change the rules for self-isolation. -
\"Does Health Minister Ong Ye Kung know his wager is my mother's life?\"
My 90 year mum experienced difficulties in breathing on Tuesday morning last week and in view of her advanced age, I took her to the SGH’s A&E department immediately.
As she had a slight fever (37.4 degree centigrade), she was put into the isolation ward for observation.
There was a shortage of beds in the general ward and she found herself confined to the isolation ward for three nights even though she was virus-free.
While she was thus confined, the Government announced that it was banning visitors from hospital until next month.
This meant that even when she came out of the isolation ward, I would be unable to see her as the hospital is being turned into a giant isolation ward.
The confinement turned out to be a nightmare for her and caused her illness to deteriorate sharply.
When I sent her to the A&E department, she was clear-headed and complained that she didn’t see the need to see a doctor because she was fine.
I was even able to drive her to the hospital without activating an ambulance.
The night before, she was still eating perfectly and watching TV.
Because she had previously suffered two strokes, she is wheel-chair bound and unable to move her hands.
This handicap, together with her advanced age, makes it impossible for her to handle gadgets like the mobile phone.
As a result, I was unable to keep in touch with her while she was in the isolation ward and I could only rely on my conversations with the nurses to ascertain her condition.
On the third morning of her confinement, I managed to get a nurse to take my iPad into the ward so that I could do a video call with my mum.
When I saw her on video, I was shocked by the deterioration in her condition in just three days.
She was incoherent and she couldn’t recognise me at all. Worse, she appeared very frail.
The next day, she was put into the “dangerously ill list” and I was finally able to visit her.
More at https://tinyurl.com/yy5j7r2f -
https://www.zaobao.com.sg/realtime/world/story20210929-1198537 about Oxford University's latest research that showed a third of those who had coronavirus suffer from \"long Covid\" (signs and symptoms that develop during or following an infection consistent with Covid-19 which continue for more than 12 weeks and are not explained by an alternative diagnosis”).
As the saying goes, precaution is better than cure. Stay safe everyone (esp. the sandwich generation)! -
WE2012\" post_id=\"2039739\" time=\"1632874132\" user_id=\"138082:
Then what other effective tools do you have in mind to bring down the cases? Or do you propose that we just wait passively for the most vulnerable segment of our population to die off?
Agree that we are past \"using lockdown\" as an effective tool to slow down infection. The horse has already bolted since we allowed our daily unlinked case count to balloon. Lockdown is only effective as a tool when we are able to target infection reservoirs.Nasi Lemak\" post_id=\"2039735\" time=\"1632871630\" user_id=\"188813:[quote=\"Nasi Lemak\" post_id=2039735 time=1632871630 user_id=188813]
Agree. Too late. Will take a few months even if lock down now. Will have to reduce our activities and try to stay safe. I guess we are on our own now.
Suffice to say there could be a few thousands infection reservoirs within our own community, seeding new infection daily. This is also aided by ineffective quarantine measures like ART positive self quarantine at home, potentially seeding the entire family and neighbors. Henceforth, it will be everyone for himself/herself.
The rule governing the game has already changed and it is now \"survival of the fittest\" as we seek herd immunity.[/quote]
It is never too late to lockdown, it’s whether MTF wants or doesn’t want to lockdown. 3 weeks not enough then 8 weeks lah. We have done this many times and it is proven to be effective. It is the easiest way to go but I hope lockdown is their last resort given the heavy toll on our economy.
Their most recent measures introduced are not targeted at protecting the most vulnerable groups.
Don’t let the seniors dine in lah, protect them for these few weeks to buy time for either booster shots or get those unvaccinated fully vaccinated.
Everyday I just look at how many positive cases are old folks. These two days like 300-400 per day. The seniors are the ones who are likely to occupy an isolation ward bed. The new hotel-like Tampines CTF has 300 beds for seniors, and we have like 700-800 old folks tested positive just these 2 days.
In a week or 2, 700 beds would be set up at Singapore Changi Expo CTF. Again, is that enough? And we are talking about 3200 to 5000 daily cases coming soon.
I can only say that, while we call for endemic living but we are grossly underprepared for it.
It is easy to say 98% of the positive cases have mild or no symptoms, so only 2% would require medical/hospital care. No! If we look at the figures, at least 20% of the daily cases involve seniors above 60yo and they need to go under observation before being triaged. I guess that is the reason MOH only planned to handle that 2% but now it turns out that they have to handle up to 10 times more!
So the trick is to try to bring down the cases involving seniors to avoid hogging healthcare resources and have more basic CTFs to handle mild cases.
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