Is GEP really necessary?
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Hi Pam, on your point #4, just wanted to say that I do know of at least one child who is dyslexic and who got into GEP.
As for giftedness manifesting itself at age 9, I read somewhere that giftedness manifests itself before age 9 and it’s best to test for giftedness before then. In fact 9 is at the end of the testing zone. Don’t ask me for references because I can’t remember where I read it from. It was ages ago. -
jtoh:
curious how the dylexic child passes the english tests.Hi Pam, on your point #4, just wanted to say that I do know of at least one child who is dyslexic and who got into GEP.
As for giftedness manifesting itself at age 9, I read somewhere that giftedness manifests itself before age 9 and it's best to test for giftedness before then. In fact 9 is at the end of the testing zone. Don't ask me for references because I can't remember where I read it from. It was ages ago. -
[quote]Giftedness manifests itself at 9?[/quote]
No, I don't think this is true. Maybe the MoE waits until the end of P3 to give a chance to gifted children from underprivileged backgrounds to catch-up in terms of language ability?
[quote]why do boys always double the girls in GEP. EVERY YEAR.[/quote]I have also wondered about this. Is the test heavily weighed on quantitative skills? I have heard that girls are stronger in verbal skills. Could this be the reason there are more boys identified by the test? -
nansk:
Don't think so. My son told me the verbal test could be more difficult, and according to the GEB and the psychological tests, he is more gifted in language than math. So, I am pretty sure the language tests are not easy at all, I think there is some selection criteria that are not revealed, or perhaps some kind of quota for each gender.
I have also wondered about this. Is the test heavily weighed on quantitative skills? I have heard that girls are stronger in verbal skills. Could this be the reason there are more boys identified by the test? -
upsidedown:
That is interesting thought as well. But verbal vs written test/exam are totally diiferent. Look at LKY and Dr Lee Wei Ling as both are dylexic. I am pretty sure their language are powerful.
curious how the dylexic child passes the english tests.jtoh:
Hi Pam, on your point #4, just wanted to say that I do know of at least one child who is dyslexic and who got into GEP.
As for giftedness manifesting itself at age 9, I read somewhere that giftedness manifests itself before age 9 and it's best to test for giftedness before then. In fact 9 is at the end of the testing zone. Don't ask me for references because I can't remember where I read it from. It was ages ago. -
laughingcat:
That is interesting thought as well. But verbal vs written test/exam are totally diiferent. Look at LKY and Dr Lee Wei Ling as both are dylexic. I am pretty sure their language are powerful.[/quote]But they grow out of it or become cope with it, and because most are at least of average intelligence, some can excel in the language. I understand it is also language specific. Being dyslexic does not mean you are so for all languages. http://www.infinitylearningskills.com/inablities.htm
curious how the dylexic child passes the english tests.upsidedown:
[quote=\"jtoh\"]Hi Pam, on your point #4, just wanted to say that I do know of at least one child who is dyslexic and who got into GEP.
As for giftedness manifesting itself at age 9, I read somewhere that giftedness manifests itself before age 9 and it's best to test for giftedness before then. In fact 9 is at the end of the testing zone. Don't ask me for references because I can't remember where I read it from. It was ages ago.
The worst hit are those K to P4. That's when the GEP tests are done. Unless the children identified gifted were identified in the era prior to the current GEP criteria, it is highly unlikely (in fact not possible) for a dyslexic child to qualify for GEP. Prior to this, GEB used to admit them based on either Math or English only. This has already changed, which I believe is wrong, and compromises our need to nurture those who are gifted in either area, not one who aggregates well. -
2ppaamm:
I suppose this child I know of who has dyslexia and got into GEP must have done very well in both the English and Math selection tests then.
The worst hit are those K to P4. That's when the GEP tests are done. Unless the children identified gifted were identified in the era prior to the current GEP criteria, it is highly unlikely (in fact not possible) for a dyslexic child to qualify for GEP. Prior to this, GEB used to admit them based on either Math or English only. This has already changed, which I believe is wrong, and compromises our need to nurture those who are gifted in either area, not one who aggregates well.
When did GEB change the admission from EITHER Math or English to BOTH? -
jtoh:
Not very sure when they changed, maybe over the last 5 years or so. The kids in my extended family used to qualify based on either English or Maths, but the recent briefings I went for my own, it was for both.
I suppose this child I know of who has dyslexia and got into GEP must have done very well in both the English and Math selection tests then.2ppaamm:
The worst hit are those K to P4. That's when the GEP tests are done. Unless the children identified gifted were identified in the era prior to the current GEP criteria, it is highly unlikely (in fact not possible) for a dyslexic child to qualify for GEP. Prior to this, GEB used to admit them based on either Math or English only. This has already changed, which I believe is wrong, and compromises our need to nurture those who are gifted in either area, not one who aggregates well.
When did GEB change the admission from EITHER Math or English to BOTH? -
2ppaamm:
Not very sure when they changed, maybe over the last 5 years or so. The kids in my extended family used to qualify based on either English or Maths, but the recent briefings I went for my own, it was for both.[/quote]This child I know of with dyslexia definitely qualified under the BOTH admission criteria then. Interestingly, I was talking with the child's mum yesterday and she reminded me of this other child we both know who also has dyslexia and qualified for GEP.
I suppose this child I know of who has dyslexia and got into GEP must have done very well in both the English and Math selection tests then.jtoh:
[quote=\"2ppaamm\"]
The worst hit are those K to P4. That's when the GEP tests are done. Unless the children identified gifted were identified in the era prior to the current GEP criteria, it is highly unlikely (in fact not possible) for a dyslexic child to qualify for GEP. Prior to this, GEB used to admit them based on either Math or English only. This has already changed, which I believe is wrong, and compromises our need to nurture those who are gifted in either area, not one who aggregates well.
When did GEB change the admission from EITHER Math or English to BOTH? -
jtoh:
Hahaha, the right definition of dyslexia is http://www.gow.org/page.cfm?p=343, the child will have difficulty reading, and how he passed the selection test is a mystery, it is a tall order. My son is not dyslexic, tested >99.9% for linguistic abilities in his age group and found the test hard, and then a child with dyslexia can pass it...unless like my son's case, he was misdiagnosed, which is not surprising at all.
This child I know of with dyslexia definitely qualified under the BOTH admission criteria then. Interestingly, I was talking with the child's mum yesterday and she reminded me of this other child we both know who also has dyslexia and qualified for GEP.
What is Singapore's definition of dyslexia, anyway? My son's friend wanted to go to the international school badly, so they went to the psychologist and got him a diagnosis of asperger's. So his rich family all got very happy when he was diagnosed. In reality, this boy is far from being aspie. My son was so shocked!
So strange, we get people who want to get diagnosed to get exemptions from Chinese, to go to international schools etc etc... And those who are misdiagnosed but do not want to be diagnosed.
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