MOE to stop publishing names of top students?
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Sorry, enrolment statistics wise I’ve nothing much to share.
MOE will give each JC different number of scholars (some schools have more than others). There is a possible fixed quota for govt school but for independent ones we are more flexible. Usually we will go overseas and recruit foreign students on top of those already given to us by MOE. How many we recruit will depend on the capacity of the facilities in the school. -
It is indeed very competitive to get into local uni. Here's the link to the indicative grade profile published by nus.
http://www.nus.edu.sg/oam/gradeprofile/sprogramme-igp.html
Maybe I should consider moonlighting to earn more money and give my kids papamama scholarship to an overseas uni - or better yet send them to do foundation yr in Aussie and skip 'a' levels altogether! -
CayennePepper:
How many total IP places will we now have, with the various new IP schools next year?
Think it's never enough, til every P6er gets a place ? LOL. -
CayennePepper:
Now six years, in the past some bonds eight years. Some payback balance 2 year, some 1 year, some pay back without even serving. I guess people are very wealthy nowadays. If they all happily come back, why want to name bond breakers? Singaporeans may come back, what about newcomers? You ask them to come back after they jump ship (not the pirate kind)? :scratchhead:
Well, that's why we have six-year bonds for many scholarships. -
him4mixer:
How about those late boomer who didn't do well in PSLE but ended up in non-IP schools? They may be intellectually capable than some others in IP schools but are not exposed to HOT skills in non-IP sec schools.First we must establish the fact that there are people who are more intellectually capable than others. This innate ability will naturally cause some ‘unfairness’ in the education. Until we acknowledge this, we will always cry foul in whatever decision MOE makes.
Why HOT skills are not explicitly taught in mainstream schools? Two reasons.
1. Competency of the students. We must agree that there are different levels of students’ academic abilities. At one extreme end, we have students who have even problems remembering facts and details (LOT skills). The other end we have students who can piece different information together (synergise) and make out new information/concept (synthesis), all these characteristics of HOT skills. ‘O’ level exam as the name implies means ‘ordinary’ which caters to the majority of the population. The exam can’t have too many HOT questions or the back-end cohort will suffer. The IP schools were established to cater to those who can handle these HOT skills and thus were removed from the mainstream schools. This allowed the ‘O’ level exam to be still manageable for the majority while we take in the more capable ones and teach them HOT skills. If a capable student chooses to stay in the ‘O’ level track, that’s his/her choice and we should respect that. The student may or may not have lots of catch up to do if he/she goes to a top JC.
2. Competency of the teachers. Not all teachers are capable in the same manner. Some are good in classroom management, some in admin, some in positive influence and some in planning. I agree that not all my colleagues are good at these qualities I’ve listed above but there is one common quality in all of us: academic ability. Gone were the days when we wondered why some of our JC tutors are so xxx… Many of my colleagues graduated with good class honors and above and with a handful from top uni in the world. We have a few who are protégé of some Nobel prize winners. Several hold PhD degrees and have written textbooks for students’ use. Some others in their free time managed to write and publish their own chain of story books. When equipped with the right teaching techniques, we are effective and efficient to teach our students and inspire them to follow us. Unfortunately this is not the case for every school. Efforts to ‘spread’ these teachers to all schools will result in them being ineffective. -
If I may generalize, our children innate ability can be broadly classified into 2 groups "versatile" and "non-versatile". In Chinese, we can crudely translate it to "round" or "square".
"Round" people are more flexible, looks at things from different angles, can improvise…
"Square" people are more rigid, follow rules, seldom explore…
The GEP, IP or mainstream are made up of both groups of children. The percentage of "Round" people in GEP and IP is greater than mainstream. Those "square" people in GEP and IP will find it harder to catch up, has to put in much more effort.
There are many "round" people in the mainstream. Some may even be better than those in GEP or IP. They did not make it because of attitude - no desire to excel. Many parents are aware that their kids are "round" people. We are worried that the system has no more place left in IP when their "round" child wake up in later years. This is a very valid concern. However, based on my little knowledge of the system, if they do really wake up, there are ample opportunity for them to jump over.
Imho, most misconception that IP children have an unfair advantage arises because we only read about success. Little was published on the hard work that they (don’t count those truly gifted - they are from another planet) need to put in. We can only see our kids working hard, producing results (in our opinion, more than adequate) and felt that they deserve to be there. Maybe parents with children doing well should share more on how much effort their kids have put in order to be there. Then we can compare the sacrifice made and not just the results.
We felt that the standard is ridiculous. However, we may not have a choice if we compare with other Asian countries. We then bring out Finland. My belief is our Asian culture is different from theirs. What works for them may not work for us.
If I have a young "round" kid now, I will do my best to nurture the correct attitude (must be done before Pr1). Once the attitude is right, tuition may not be a must.
If I have a young "square" kid, nurturing the correct attitude must still be done. However, I may let him/her progress at a pace that is comfortable. -
Twinkies:
Eh, cannot any old IP school. Must be top IP school only. lol!CayennePepper:
How many total IP places will we now have, with the various new IP schools next year?
Think it's never enough, til every P6er gets a place ? LOL. -
him4mixer:
That is why I fail to understand why recruit foreign students when the top/IP JCs can take in more local ones. Locals ones can pick up HOT skills in a short time right?Sorry, enrolment statistics wise I’ve nothing much to share.
MOE will give each JC different number of scholars (some schools have more than others). There is a possible fixed quota for govt school but for independent ones we are more flexible. Usually we will go overseas and recruit foreign students on top of those already given to us by MOE. How many we recruit will depend on the capacity of the facilities in the school.
At sec school, Sec 3 ASEAN scholars taken in at top/IP sec schools. Local ones also need the places right?
No that there is no capacity to take in more local students.
Wonder who paid for the recruitment? :scratchhead: -
atutor2001:
:goodpost: :goodpost: :goodpost:If I may generalize, our children innate ability can be broadly classified into 2 groups \"versatile\" and \"non-versatile\". In Chinese, we can crudely translate it to \"round\" or \"square\".
\"Round\" people are more flexible, looks at things from different angles, can improvise...
\"Square\" people are more rigid, follow rules, seldom explore....
The GEP, IP or mainstream are made up of both groups of children. The percentage of \"Round\" people in GEP and IP is greater than mainstream. Those \"square\" people in GEP and IP will find it harder to catch up, has to put in much more effort.
There are many \"round\" people in the mainstream. Some may even be better than those in GEP or IP. They did not make it because of attitude - no desire to excel. Many parents are aware that their kids are \"round\" people. We are worried that the system has no more place left in IP when their \"round\" child wake up in later years. This is a very valid concern. However, based on my little knowledge of the system, if they do really wake up, there are ample opportunity for them to jump over.
Imho, most misconception that IP children have an unfair advantage arises because we only read about success. Little was published on the hard work that they (don't count those truly gifted - they are from another planet) need to put in. We can only see our kids working hard, producing results (in our opinion, more than adequate) and felt that they deserve to be there. Maybe parents of those with children doing well should share more on how much effort their kids have put in to be there. Then we can compare the sacrifice made and not just the results.
We felt that the standard is ridiculous. However, we may not have a choice if we compare with other Asian countries. We then bring out Finland. My belief is our Asian culture is different from theirs. What works for them may not work for us.
If I have a young \"round\" kid now, I will do my best to nurture the correct attitude (must be done before Pr1). Once the attitude is right, tuition may not be a must.
If I have a young \"square\" kid, nurturing the correct attitude must still be done. However, I may let him/her progress at a pace that is comfortable. -
jtoh:
Eh, cannot any old IP school. Must be top IP school only. lol![/quote]Yes only mountain summits are hot enough. Nearer to the sun.Twinkies:
[quote=\"CayennePepper\"]How many total IP places will we now have, with the various new IP schools next year?
Think it's never enough, til every P6er gets a place ? LOL.
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