MOE to stop publishing names of top students?
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Melodies:
I can't reconcile le. Those went oversea are our top brains but learning something less mortal than local A levels le..then how to lead the nation to face all the challenges in Asia if this is your point. though good exposure and networking..Twinkies:
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:goodpost:
Just sad that those \"round' kids wake up late and only found that all the odds are against them!
Could you share why you think we may not have a choice but to raise the A level standard if we compare with other Asian countries?
Those scholars went oversea, did they find bored?
A good habit to practice, read a full copy of the local or foreign main stream newspaper daily, everything doubtful will fall into places very quickly.
Isn't necessary to raise the standard up to master level.
I'm trying to reconciling cause and effect...[/quote]
Less mortal?
Experience talks or hearsay? Harvard, Yale or Stanford? Johns Hopkins?
If so why crack heads on squeezing into the local IPs ? Those \"less mortal\" courses are available from elementary school too.
This forum is getting more and more popular by the day, every info post here is gonna have a real swift verification, somewhere in the readers' minds. -
CayennePepper:
How many total IP places will we now have, with the various new IP schools next year?
Just saw some numbers about this.
Based on current available data, the total number of IP places is approximately 3,800. -
Melodies:
Laura02:
It's precisely this attitude that disturbs me most. This happens not only in law, but also in medicine and other \"good\" faculties. And, of course, among the scholars. It's not so prevalent in the current generation of thirty something and older working adults, but is increasingly apparent in the younger twenty-something adults. This attitude of us vs them attitude. And I am very, very concerned of the future of Singapore.
It's quite different from the past, where there were several good schools, and students from the not so good schools. And generally, it was the latter who, in their working careers, were more hungry for success, more willing to take risk and work harder to succeed.
:goodpost: Why there is such division and attitude? What was the system then versus now that drive this division and attitude.
I am going to be on hibernation mode for some soul searching.
We shall celebrate that.... -
So…does the IB requires similar HOT skills to do very well?
I doubt so…since the IB papers are set by caucasians who are less sadistics. -
Twinkies:
Discrimination, not limited to the Über, for someone gravely discriminating the GEPPERs, I wonder what's their dictionary says about \"discrimination\" .
I don't hear discrimination coming from Geppers or their parents.
It's the other way round, rather. -
CayennePepper:
Twinkies:
Discrimination, not limited to the Über, for someone gravely discriminating the GEPPERs, I wonder what's their dictionary says about \"discrimination\" .
I don't hear discrimination coming from Geppers or their parents.
It's the other way round, rather.
Exactly.... those whom discriminate, are the ones that are crying out loud that they are being discriminated ? :imconstipated: -
At the end of all these discussion , my main wish is that there must be fairness in the spreading of resources and teachers to all students. If necessary, more helps for the weaker ones. I always tell parents that it is easier for me to teach 5 bright kids than 1 blurred sotong.
Finland is not necessarily a good model to follow because of our Asian culture? Is producinging more special education teachers to help the weaker students improve up the academic ladder not a good thing to aim for? What does this have to do with culture? It ought to be the universal value of every good human being n high institutions of learning to be gracious towards the weak, the poor, the downtrodden, simply because they r powerless to swim against the current of achievements unless a helping hand is extended to them.
This is the problem of our Singapore society’s mindset. We place so high a premium on excellence n meritocracy such that those at the lowest rung of the scale r often left out. Even the helps given tend to be lacklustre.
And it is in our educational system that I feel is not a system that flows out of graciousness. We proudly show to the world that it is based on Meritocracy. What is Meritocracy? It is an advancement given to a person on the basis of that person’s ability or competency. When I see top students given greater resources n teachers to excel at the expense of the greater need of the weaker students, is this meritocratic? Real meritocracy in this case should be the advancement of better student based on his own effort, not so with extra privileged help.
How much value do we attach to a ‘nobody’ in our myopic eyes? Even the least talented human has something he or she can offer to the country; a cleaner should be given more respect because he is willing to do a job that you n I might be too proud to do.
Some of you may not agree with my view. It is ok. I am here signing off from this thread after learning many valuable insights from all of you. God bless ur children. -
david59:
:goodpost: :goodpost: :goodpost:At the end of all these discussion , my main wish is that there must be fairness in the spreading of resources and teachers to all students. If necessary, more helps for the weaker ones. I always tell parents that it is easier for me to teach 5 bright kids than 1 blurred sotong.
Finland is not necessarily a good model to follow because of our Asian culture? Is producinging more special education teachers to help the weaker students improve up the academic ladder not a good thing to aim for? What does this have to do with culture? It ought to be the universal value of every good human being n high institutions of learning to be gracious towards the weak, the poor, the downtrodden, simply because they r powerless to swim against the current of achievements unless a helping hand is extended to them.
This is the problem of our Singapore society's mindset. We place so high a premium on excellence n meritocracy such that those at the lowest rung of the scale r often left out. Even the helps given tend to be lacklustre.
And it is in our educational system that I feel is not a system that flows out of graciousness. We proudly show to the world that it is based on Meritocracy. What is Meritocracy? It is an advancement given to a person on the basis of that person's ability or competency. When I see top students given greater resources n teachers to excel at the expense of the greater need of the weaker students, is this meritocratic?Real meritocracy in this case should be the advancement of better student based on his own effort, not so with extra privileged help.
How much value do we attach to a 'nobody' in our myopic eyes? Even the least talented human has something he or she can offer to the country; a cleaner should be given more respect because he is willing to do a job that you n I might be too proud to do.
Some of you may not agree with my view. It is ok. I am here signing off from this thread after learning many valuable insights from all of you. God bless ur children. -
Twinkies:
CayennePepper:
[quote=\"Twinkies\"]Discrimination, not limited to the Über, for someone gravely discriminating the GEPPERs, I wonder what's their dictionary says about \"discrimination\" .
I don't hear discrimination coming from Geppers or their parents.
It's the other way round, rather.
Exactly.... those whom discriminate, are the ones that are crying out loud that they are being discriminated ? :imconstipated:[/quote]As I have said earlier, there is unhappiness about the current situation not only from mainstream parents, but also from parents of Geppers. Please avoid statements like these that can easily be construed as inflammatory when directed at entire groups of people. The discussion so far is highly constructive because there is mutual respect for everyone's points. We would very much like to keep it this way.
Thank you. -
pirate:
A \"round\" person will forever remain \"round\". It is nature's-gift. That is why we have school dropouts becoming successful businessman. Of course there are those who become great con man. They are born round but had polished their curvature through a different path.atutor2001:
There are many \"round\" people in the mainstream. Some may even be better than those in GEP or IP. They did not make it because of attitude - no desire to excel.
No, my concern is that the O-level schools will try to hammer my round kid into a square hole. And if by some miracle my round kid emerges from the square hole to get into a 'top' IP JC, the school will then spend the next two years unsquaring my otherwise rounder than round kid.
The other concern is that my round kid has to go through all these shape contorting exercises only because he/she did not manage to get into a primary school with a through train to a top IP JC.
My only consolation is that RI(JC) does not have an affiliated primary school... :razz: Does it?
And we know about the sacrifices. Last I heard, it is called external tuition and enrichment courses. :razz: :razz: :razz:
Imo, not all IP school can value-add to the roundness as perceived in this thread. So no point wasting energy getting into just any IP (unless to avoid O level).
Tuition, :moneyflies: is definitely a form of sacrifice. However, it is not the sacrifice that I have in mind. It should be spending time to bring up, motivate, influence our children, starting from little babies/toddles. It will be too late by Pr school age. However, many outsource to maids and later to tutors. Need to work, no time, tired, can't teach are just excuses. I have gone through the process. Spending money on tuition will never match the sacrifice made in finding time to bring up our children. However, the reward is long-term. Non of my kids have tuition. We taught them only during Pr and they were on their own after that. I don't see them losing out to those contemporaries who have tuition for nearly everything. If I need to redo it again, I will still do it the same way.
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