NUS High School of Mathematics and Science (Diploma)
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abhcbl\" post_id=\"1924659\" time=\"1564542895\" user_id=\"37899:
Funny you said most dislike bio because recently I met many kids who opted to read Life Sciences and bio in uni after A Levels.. I was rather curious abt the choices if it was easier to get in or there is actually a huge fanbase for bio and bio related careers.
I think no one know the exact answer other than the school themselves, and they could even change by next year ... heard that also planning to explore non math and science subjects like weiqi (as a lot of those doing well in weiqi are also doing well in the school ... eg. most of the weiqi dan students got gold in various olympiad competition).velkalai\" post_id=\"1924449\" time=\"1564495253\" user_id=\"12351:
Hi Parents,
May I know if the kids got NMOS medals to be shortlisted for the selection camp.. coz my daughter is in P5 and she didn’t get to the second round though she got Gold in Sasmo..
TIA for the replies and all the very best to the kids.. hope they get into their dream school 😊
Through all the hear/say/see ... my personal conclusion (I am sure others could have different experience or know of example that prove otherwise) is that the school try to gauge on 2 areas ... passion in the subjects and abilities to excel in the subjects.
On abilities ... it includes prelim score for Math and Science (was told need minimum A for both), awards in maths and science related competition (note each competition has different \"value\" ... depending on participants of the competition). Usually the more local participants and across more schools, esp the GEP schools, the higher the \"value\" in term of the awards. For example, if you look at SASMO ... you hardly see participants from the GEP schools.
On passion ... did the students go beyond PSLE topics due to their interest, and how they deal and work on the round 2 assessments (again doing well in competition is an indication that the students have gone beyond PSLE topics). So for example, if DD didn't get to second round in NMOS, what does she do subsequently ... like ok, it is what it is? or knowing what she lack and working towards RIPWMC/APMOPS and etc?
Abilities is always easier to assess and they have their first round test to help to gauge, and also the round 2 stations. Passion is mainly assess through observation on how the students approached problems and challengers. That is why those in Masterclass or Einstein Club have an advantage as the school has been working with the students for quite a while, so easier to assess their ability and passion.
Lastly, I don't feel that the school is looking for students who are good in every math and science subjects (I think ability in Math has a slightly higher value because those good in Math will usually be good in Physic and Computing, and those good in Physic will be good in Chemistry ... Bio is the odd one). Instead, more of for two or three of the five (Maths, Physic, Chemistry, Biology, Computing). Most of them dislike biology
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quixation\" post_id=\"1924715\" time=\"1564546813\" user_id=\"480:
Funny you said most dislike bio because recently I met many kids who opted to read Life Sciences and bio in uni after A Levels.. I was rather curious abt the choices if it was easier to get in or there is actually a huge fanbase for bio and bio related careers.[/quote]Next to Internet based tech, Life Sciences is the future of the world !! Will remain as hot and demanding for a very long time.
I think no one know the exact answer other than the school themselves, and they could even change by next year ... heard that also planning to explore non math and science subjects like weiqi (as a lot of those doing well in weiqi are also doing well in the school ... eg. most of the weiqi dan students got gold in various olympiad competition).abhcbl\" post_id=\"1924659\" time=\"1564542895\" user_id=\"37899:
[quote=velkalai post_id=1924449 time=1564495253 user_id=12351]Hi Parents,
May I know if the kids got NMOS medals to be shortlisted for the selection camp.. coz my daughter is in P5 and she didn’t get to the second round though she got Gold in Sasmo..
TIA for the replies and all the very best to the kids.. hope they get into their dream school 😊
Through all the hear/say/see ... my personal conclusion (I am sure others could have different experience or know of example that prove otherwise) is that the school try to gauge on 2 areas ... passion in the subjects and abilities to excel in the subjects.
On abilities ... it includes prelim score for Math and Science (was told need minimum A for both), awards in maths and science related competition (note each competition has different \"value\" ... depending on participants of the competition). Usually the more local participants and across more schools, esp the GEP schools, the higher the \"value\" in term of the awards. For example, if you look at SASMO ... you hardly see participants from the GEP schools.
On passion ... did the students go beyond PSLE topics due to their interest, and how they deal and work on the round 2 assessments (again doing well in competition is an indication that the students have gone beyond PSLE topics). So for example, if DD didn't get to second round in NMOS, what does she do subsequently ... like ok, it is what it is? or knowing what she lack and working towards RIPWMC/APMOPS and etc?
Abilities is always easier to assess and they have their first round test to help to gauge, and also the round 2 stations. Passion is mainly assess through observation on how the students approached problems and challengers. That is why those in Masterclass or Einstein Club have an advantage as the school has been working with the students for quite a while, so easier to assess their ability and passion.
Lastly, I don't feel that the school is looking for students who are good in every math and science subjects (I think ability in Math has a slightly higher value because those good in Math will usually be good in Physic and Computing, and those good in Physic will be good in Chemistry ... Bio is the odd one). Instead, more of for two or three of the five (Maths, Physic, Chemistry, Biology, Computing). Most of them dislike biology
BTW, I am not from Life Sciences field. But I'm very sure the life sciences scientists have a very vital role to play in the future. -
I am (was) from the Life Sciences field. Yes it is trendy ever since year 2000 when govt built the Biopolis. If u love studying Bio (I did), go for it. But the job prospects aren’t fantastic. Most positions are tied to research grants, which last 3 years. I didn’t consider such contracts a secure job at all.
The only secure position to climb to is the Principal Investigator position. How many of those in this tiny island can there be? -
quixation\" post_id=\"1924715\" time=\"1564546813\" user_id=\"480:
Funny you said most dislike bio because recently I met many kids who opted to read Life Sciences and bio in uni after A Levels.. I was rather curious abt the choices if it was easier to get in or there is actually a huge fanbase for bio and bio related careers.[/quote]Like what was mentioned earlier, dislike doesn't mean that they did badly in Bio.
I think no one know the exact answer other than the school themselves, and they could even change by next year ... heard that also planning to explore non math and science subjects like weiqi (as a lot of those doing well in weiqi are also doing well in the school ... eg. most of the weiqi dan students got gold in various olympiad competition).abhcbl\" post_id=\"1924659\" time=\"1564542895\" user_id=\"37899:
[quote=velkalai post_id=1924449 time=1564495253 user_id=12351]Hi Parents,
May I know if the kids got NMOS medals to be shortlisted for the selection camp.. coz my daughter is in P5 and she didn’t get to the second round though she got Gold in Sasmo..
TIA for the replies and all the very best to the kids.. hope they get into their dream school 😊
Through all the hear/say/see ... my personal conclusion (I am sure others could have different experience or know of example that prove otherwise) is that the school try to gauge on 2 areas ... passion in the subjects and abilities to excel in the subjects.
On abilities ... it includes prelim score for Math and Science (was told need minimum A for both), awards in maths and science related competition (note each competition has different \"value\" ... depending on participants of the competition). Usually the more local participants and across more schools, esp the GEP schools, the higher the \"value\" in term of the awards. For example, if you look at SASMO ... you hardly see participants from the GEP schools.
On passion ... did the students go beyond PSLE topics due to their interest, and how they deal and work on the round 2 assessments (again doing well in competition is an indication that the students have gone beyond PSLE topics). So for example, if DD didn't get to second round in NMOS, what does she do subsequently ... like ok, it is what it is? or knowing what she lack and working towards RIPWMC/APMOPS and etc?
Abilities is always easier to assess and they have their first round test to help to gauge, and also the round 2 stations. Passion is mainly assess through observation on how the students approached problems and challengers. That is why those in Masterclass or Einstein Club have an advantage as the school has been working with the students for quite a while, so easier to assess their ability and passion.
Lastly, I don't feel that the school is looking for students who are good in every math and science subjects (I think ability in Math has a slightly higher value because those good in Math will usually be good in Physic and Computing, and those good in Physic will be good in Chemistry ... Bio is the odd one). Instead, more of for two or three of the five (Maths, Physic, Chemistry, Biology, Computing). Most of them dislike biology
It is more of because Bio is more boring at the start, a lot of memorization and less logic when compare to the other subjects. Most of the kids there are those with strong logic ... so more likely not to like subject that need a lot of memorization (cells part, digestive systems, and etc). However, like and dislike could change as they progress when they are exposed more to the interesting area.
For example:
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/genetic-disease-project-wins-ragavi-first-prize-in-astar-talent-search -
Thanks for sharing. it still sound very interesting though… I think as long as the child has keen interests in Science since its all the more related to each other, im sure the right child will be a right fit in NUSH, which explains the very intensive selection process. All the best to the our future scientists and inventors! Keep the passion burning!
Now Prelims first! -
abhcbl\" post_id=\"1924659\" time=\"1564542895\" user_id=\"37899:
Thank you so much for such a detailed reply.. it’s very helpful.
I think no one know the exact answer other than the school themselves, and they could even change by next year ... heard that also planning to explore non math and science subjects like weiqi (as a lot of those doing well in weiqi are also doing well in the school ... eg. most of the weiqi dan students got gold in various olympiad competition).velkalai\" post_id=\"1924449\" time=\"1564495253\" user_id=\"12351:
Hi Parents,
May I know if the kids got NMOS medals to be shortlisted for the selection camp.. coz my daughter is in P5 and she didn’t get to the second round though she got Gold in Sasmo..
TIA for the replies and all the very best to the kids.. hope they get into their dream school 😊
Through all the hear/say/see ... my personal conclusion (I am sure others could have different experience or know of example that prove otherwise) is that the school try to gauge on 2 areas ... passion in the subjects and abilities to excel in the subjects.
On abilities ... it includes prelim score for Math and Science (was told need minimum A for both), awards in maths and science related competition (note each competition has different \"value\" ... depending on participants of the competition). Usually the more local participants and across more schools, esp the GEP schools, the higher the \"value\" in term of the awards. For example, if you look at SASMO ... you hardly see participants from the GEP schools.
On passion ... did the students go beyond PSLE topics due to their interest, and how they deal and work on the round 2 assessments (again doing well in competition is an indication that the students have gone beyond PSLE topics). So for example, if DD didn't get to second round in NMOS, what does she do subsequently ... like ok, it is what it is? or knowing what she lack and working towards RIPWMC/APMOPS and etc?
Abilities is always easier to assess and they have their first round test to help to gauge, and also the round 2 stations. Passion is mainly assess through observation on how the students approached problems and challengers. That is why those in Masterclass or Einstein Club have an advantage as the school has been working with the students for quite a while, so easier to assess their ability and passion.
Lastly, I don't feel that the school is looking for students who are good in every math and science subjects (I think ability in Math has a slightly higher value because those good in Math will usually be good in Physic and Computing, and those good in Physic will be good in Chemistry ... Bio is the odd one). Instead, more of for two or three of the five (Maths, Physic, Chemistry, Biology, Computing). Most of them dislike biology -
abhcbl\" post_id=\"1924759\" time=\"1564551914\" user_id=\"37899:
Like what was mentioned earlier, dislike doesn't mean that they did badly in Bio.
Funny you said most dislike bio because recently I met many kids who opted to read Life Sciences and bio in uni after A Levels.. I was rather curious abt the choices if it was easier to get in or there is actually a huge fanbase for bio and bio related careers.quixation\" post_id=\"1924715\" time=\"1564546813\" user_id=\"480:
[quote=abhcbl post_id=1924659 time=1564542895 user_id=37899]
I think no one know the exact answer other than the school themselves, and they could even change by next year ... heard that also planning to explore non math and science subjects like weiqi (as a lot of those doing well in weiqi are also doing well in the school ... eg. most of the weiqi dan students got gold in various olympiad competition).
Through all the hear/say/see ... my personal conclusion (I am sure others could have different experience or know of example that prove otherwise) is that the school try to gauge on 2 areas ... passion in the subjects and abilities to excel in the subjects.
On abilities ... it includes prelim score for Math and Science (was told need minimum A for both), awards in maths and science related competition (note each competition has different \"value\" ... depending on participants of the competition). Usually the more local participants and across more schools, esp the GEP schools, the higher the \"value\" in term of the awards. For example, if you look at SASMO ... you hardly see participants from the GEP schools.
On passion ... did the students go beyond PSLE topics due to their interest, and how they deal and work on the round 2 assessments (again doing well in competition is an indication that the students have gone beyond PSLE topics). So for example, if DD didn't get to second round in NMOS, what does she do subsequently ... like ok, it is what it is? or knowing what she lack and working towards RIPWMC/APMOPS and etc?
Abilities is always easier to assess and they have their first round test to help to gauge, and also the round 2 stations. Passion is mainly assess through observation on how the students approached problems and challengers. That is why those in Masterclass or Einstein Club have an advantage as the school has been working with the students for quite a while, so easier to assess their ability and passion.
Lastly, I don't feel that the school is looking for students who are good in every math and science subjects (I think ability in Math has a slightly higher value because those good in Math will usually be good in Physic and Computing, and those good in Physic will be good in Chemistry ... Bio is the odd one). Instead, more of for two or three of the five (Maths, Physic, Chemistry, Biology, Computing). Most of them dislike biology
It is more of because Bio is more boring at the start, a lot of memorization and less logic when compare to the other subjects. Most of the kids there are those with strong logic ... so more likely not to like subject that need a lot of memorization (cells part, digestive systems, and etc). However, like and dislike could change as they progress when they are exposed more to the interesting area.
For example:
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/genetic-disease-project-wins-ragavi-first-prize-in-astar-talent-search[/quote]Agree on bio. DS finds Bio a bit dry but seem to turn out very good scores .. I suppose it is harder to be careless about body parts and sequential processes than numerical workings!
Bio is also highly accelerated so they do find it interesting as they are already covering O level material at year 1. Apparently , they do go up to A Uni level material at Bio Olympaid elective by year 2. -
[/quote] from @Sun_2010
My two cents:
I would say an aptitude in sciences is important , and also maths. Honestly the exposure of science is very little in primary school so it is hard to know if they have some real interest. And to top it, it is all bundled into one science subject. If a child dislikes maths, and doesnt like the whys and what happens of things around us then NUS high is not the school for him/her. The target for any child in secondary school should not be to survive but to thrive.
All three sciences and Maths form part of the core curriculum till year 3 then from year 4 with subject specialization, Maths and double science is compulsory ( includes computing studies) . The 4th optional subject could be science/arts/humanities.
There are students who went on to do undergrad in humanities with scholarships , It is not because they were not good in sciences, it is because they are very much interested in humanities. Because at the end of the day , with Maths and sciences having a greater weightage on the MCs( modular credits), the CAP is going to be badly affected if he/she cannot do reasonably well in them.
Going to NUSH doesnt mean you are closing off the humanities . But if a child feels science /maths is not his cup of tea ( or milo) , then he better focus on other schools
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Very well said :salute:
“The target for any child in secondary school should not be to survive but to thrive.“ :goodpost: -
lucid\" post_id=\"1925041\" time=\"1564583921\" user_id=\"14312:
Like I said before, most will not have any problem academically. However, every kid is diff. Some do not believe in putting the extra 2hrs every day just to get the few marks to change a A- to A (or whatever improvement). Some donch even mind having a lower grade from doing an accelerated module coz they get to go to NUS and get the experience. There will be lazy-ass ones in school but when it come to projects at the external agencies, they will rush there and spend hours there, until kena chased out of the lab.
Agree on bio. DS finds Bio a bit dry but seem to turn out very good scores .. I suppose it is harder to be careless about body parts and sequential processes than numerical workings!
Bio is also highly accelerated so they do find it interesting as they are already covering O level material at year 1. Apparently , they do go up to A Uni level material at Bio Olympaid elective by year 2.
Personally, I feel it's less stressful than most other IP and there's so much to experience (eg, interaction with NUS undergrads who were very curious about these kids, working with researchers from NUS/DSO/Astar etc) -
Anyone has any inkling if dsa result will be out today?
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