2022 PSLE Discussions & Strategies (born in 2010)

[cocacoco]

SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2074911\" time=\"1658044144\" user_id=\"188234:

No problem. Another rough data point/check is:

SNGS had affiliate t-score of 230, new AMR is AL14
MGS/SCGS had affiliate t-score of 220, new AMR is AL17
Various CHIJ had affiliate t-score of 200, new AMR is AL20

Not saying there is a direction translation between the two scoring systems (there isn't). But if you take the schools'/MOE's perspective of setting the bar roughly equivalent so that a similar number of students qualify (or hit a similar standard) the figures above can give some insight or sanity check.

Interesting. Seems alright.
So AL9-10 ~250 ~top 10%?
AL11-12 ~240 ~top 20%
AL13-14 ~230 ~top 30%
AL16-17 ~220 ~top 40%
AL20 ~200 ~top 50%??

[SG_KP1]

cocacoco\" post_id=\"2074915\" time=\"1658045149\" user_id=\"194809:

Interesting. Seems alright.
So AL9 ~250 ~top 10%?
AL11 ~240 ~top 20%
AL13-14 ~230 ~top 30%
AL16-17 ~220 ~top 40%
AL20 ~200 ~top 50%??

MOE has fixed automatic qualify for HMT and Third Lang at AL8. Previously, these two floated at Top 10%, so I would conclude AL8 is around Top 10% (+/-).

I think AL20 / 200 is more like Top 66% (% qualifying for Express), Top 50% around AL16 (Median subject score of 75 = AL4 x 4 = AL16).

Not sure on the gradient between these levels...

[SG_KP1]

zac's mum\" post_id=\"2074914\" time=\"1658044680\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2074914 time=1658044680 user_id=53606]
I think it was a Channel News Asia infographic generated during the MOE announcement of new AL system. Dated 17 July 2016 in my phone.[/quote]

Treat yourself to a new phone (or is this like Google Photos?)! Give the old clunker to Zac for Sec 1

[sembgal]

zac's mum\" post_id=\"2074914\" time=\"1658044680\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2074914 time=1658044680 user_id=53606]
I think it was a Channel News Asia infographic generated during the MOE announcement of new AL system. Dated 17 July 2016 in my phone.

Below is the Straits Time version of same date, which credits MOE as the source:
https://i.imgur.com/Thn6vxs.jpg\">[/quote]

Thank you for sharing.

[zac's mum]

SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2074921\" time=\"1658046037\" user_id=\"188234:

Treat yourself to a new phone (or is this like Google Photos?)! Give the old clunker to Zac for Sec 1

Haha it’s cos my photos are stored in iCloud storage. The physical phone has changed since then.

But I was quite surprised how long ago the announcement was. Our kids were only 6 years old then and I was stressed abt P1 registration that exact month. Back then it was probably the 2016 Primary 1 parents who were cursing that they were the AL guinea pig batch.

[cocacoco]

SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2074920\" time=\"1658045577\" user_id=\"188234:

MOE has fixed automatic qualify for HMT and Third Lang at AL8. Previously, these two floated at Top 10%, so I would conclude AL8 is around Top 10% (+/-).

I think AL20 / 200 is more like Top 66% (% qualifying for Express), Top 50% around AL16 (Median subject score of 75 = AL4 x 4 = AL16).

Not sure on the gradient between these levels...

There was a top 30% as criteria for taking HCL? Can't remember exactly.

AL8, 252, top 10%
AL9-10, 250,
AL11, 240, top 20%
AL12-13, 235, top 25%
AL13-14, 230, top 30%
AL16, 220, top 50%
AL20, 200, top 66%

Just guessing lol

[cocacoco]

SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2074920\" time=\"1658045577\" user_id=\"188234:

MOE has fixed automatic qualify for HMT and Third Lang at AL8. Previously, these two floated at Top 10%, so I would conclude AL8 is around Top 10% (+/-).

I think AL20 / 200 is more like Top 66% (% qualifying for Express), Top 50% around AL16 (Median subject score of 75 = AL4 x 4 = AL16).

Not sure on the gradient between these levels...

If top 10% to qualify for HCL is AL8, but cop of RV was AL9, hmmm

[sembgal]

RV had a murder/manslaughter case in the toilet on 19 July 2021. I was not surprised that the cutoff points increased by 1 point. You think and will know why.


'We don't focus on grades': Parents on what has changed in their approach to kids over the past year
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/we-dont-focus-on-grades-parents-on-what-has-changed-in-the-past-year

A year after alleged murder in school, RVHS community has moved forward: MOE
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/a-year-after-alleged-murder-in-school-rvhs-community-has-moved-forward-moe

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/year-after-alleged-murder-river-valley-high-student-school-counsellors-support-2815191

[SG_KP1]

cocacoco\" post_id=\"2074924\" time=\"1658046456\" user_id=\"194809:

There was a top 30% as criteria for taking HCL? Can't remember exactly.

You are correct. Under the old system it was Top 30% and [I think] A* for MT or Distinction/Merit for HMT. Now, it is AL14 and AL1-AL2 for MT or Distinction for HMT.

So Top 30% / AL14 is another rough data point.

cocacoco\" post_id=\"2074926\" time=\"1658046759\" user_id=\"194809:

If top 10% to qualify for HCL is AL8, but cop of RV was AL9, hmmm

IP was never fixed strictly at the Top 10%. Rather, the COPs were roughly about at that figure (obviously not everyone in the Top 10% elects to go IP either. ie MGS/SCGS non-affiliated O Level).

In t-score terms, the recent years Top 10% was 250-252 range (as seen by who was eligible for Third Lang). Some years a few IP schools had COP below the official Top 10% (think TJC was 250 when Third Lang was 252 one year).

In the AL Simulated COPs, TJC IP was AL9 and RVHS was AL9(D). Actual last year ended up at TJC = AL8 and RVHS = AL9(M).

So I think one or a couple/few schools could bounce around AL8 depending on the year and student choices. Regardless, each ALX will be associated with a different Top Y% each year. These are all just roughly speaking...

[SG_KP1]

zac's mum\" post_id=\"2074923\" time=\"1658046356\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2074923 time=1658046356 user_id=53606]
.....
But I was quite surprised how long ago the announcement was. Our kids were only 6 years old then and I was stressed abt P1 registration that exact month. Back then it was probably the 2016 Primary 1 parents who were cursing that they were the AL guinea pig batch.[/quote]

Yes, it is amazing how time flies, and how little the kids were in the younger primary days (looking back at old photos).

If you think you may be bored next year or want to apply lessons learnt, process improvement, etc, you can always have another kid! The 2029 P1 Registration and 2035 PSLE are calling your name!