Application for NUS/NTU Medicine 2024/2025

[leongyicheng75]

00skyblue00\" post_id=\"2133368\" time=\"1714900779\" user_id=\"143605:

Not first hand info, and those in the know please jump in.
Nus is using in person lectures - tutorials learning method but ntu is using pre-recording lessons. For some students they have own preference.
Still, it is a happy problem. Congrats.

Thank you Skyblue, I think seeing the lecturer in person would help with engagement and understanding compared to staring at a screen. But getting to rewatch lectures also has its own benefits.

Not really sure what my DD prefers, but I will let her know of this.

[mother777]

leongyicheng75\" post_id=\"2133383\" time=\"1714919596\" user_id=\"204501:

Congratulations! Your DD must have worked very hard!

Regarding residential college life, DD mentioned that NTU Medicine campus is very segregated with the rest of NTU. NTU Medicine campus is located at Novena while main NTU campus is at Jurong. Main concern is that she's worried she won't be given opportunities to interact with the students from other faculties as she will mostly be at the Novena NTU Medicine campus. Also, the NTU Medicine students will all be allocated to the same hall, if they choose to stay in campus.

DD and I also think that NTU intentionally wants the Medicine students to flock together and not meet the other kids on campus so that they are entirely focused on being doctors.

DD really treasures having a good social life as since secondary school, she has been too focused and fixated only on academics and now wants to have a last shot at living a fulfilling social life at the University level before she enters the workforce.

Regardless, main goal of both NTU and NUS is to nurture proficient doctors, college life is just an added benefit. I believe NTU has its own separate benefits compared to NTU and that having the opportunity to study Medicine is very lucky and fortunate.

Thank you leongyicheng75.

I see, both you and your DD are worried that NTU medicine study campus is segregated from rest of NTU colleges.
Fair enough concern from your end.

I believe the reason for this is to keep the Med college near the TTS hospital where the NTU med students will go for placement and other attachments.

As per my research, the accommodation hostel / hall for med students (Pioneer and Crescent) is located in the main NTU campus. So, fret not, the Med students will have ample time and multiple opportunities to mingle with other course students on campus on their off days and days they come back early from classes.

The NTU campus in Jurong is very vibrant, I am an Ex-Alumni of NTU as I did my master's in engineering from there and loved every day I spent on campus. I was part-time master's student as I started working in parallel. I was very jealous of all the CCAs and other campus activities the full-time students could benefit and enjoy from. Believe me - the NTU students are very well connected and enjoy life to their fullest and the campus has ample facility to enjoy student life safely.

I believe the concept of putting med students together has definitely many benefits. New med students can easily form connections with both incoming batch of students plus the senior students who stay in the accommodations.
Med students need more emotional support and focus as the Med career tends to be honestly more academic and career focused compared to others.

I have heard from other overseas universities as well that Med students are a close-knit community, and they prefer to stay together with other med course related students. Infact, many new med students complained and demanded room with other med students in those universities. This could be the reason for NTU to adopt this mode of accommodation.

Agree having a healthy student life is very important, my DD volunteers a lot and is also looking forward to meeting other likeminded students and bond. She also loves music and wants to join multiple CCAs.

It's an exciting year with new beginning. I am happy to hear that your DD is looking forward to the start of the course and to starting a healthy balanced student life.

Rest assured, no matter which Med school she chooses - she would be able to enjoy the campus life to the fullest. Goodluck 😊

[mother777]

leongyicheng75\" post_id=\"2133385\" time=\"1714919920\" user_id=\"204501:

Thank you Skyblue, I think seeing the lecturer in person would help with engagement and understanding compared to staring at a screen. But getting to rewatch lectures also has its own benefits.

Not really sure what my DD prefers, but I will let her know of this.

Definitely pros and cons of having live lecturer classes vs pre-recording.
I have seen students nodding off or doing their own things sneakily on laptops in live lectures. The room sometimes are so full to brim on the core subjects that you do not get one on one with the lecturer anyway.

Can you imagine how a class filled with 100s or 200s of students feel? Sometimes it can be very disruptive.
It all boils down to the focus and motivation the students themself have.

I believe med students will not lack in self-motivation; else they will not choose this career.
With spending around 2 years in COVID environment, there is lot of acceptance on online lessons and pre-recordings.

DD prefers the NTU style, where she gets a chance to view the course content upfront - run it through at her own pace. Come to class prepared and then spend time in a group to discuss the content and then focus on problem solving. They are not bound by hardcore need to be present in a class physically and can decide how to balance their own workload.

This method - will drive self-reliance and independent research, while fostering teamwork with group members during TBL session which is moderated by lecturers.

[lucid]

I hope child will be able to go in to both and experience for himself. The timings on 11 May do make it seem impossible to give each full due diligence.


What DS knows is - almost every senior who could choose regretted in a way not choosing LKC. However, they will laugh it off to just make best of it and focus on the positives cause opportunities are what you make of it. The regrets come primarily from welfare, culture and breathing space. Also, I believe LKC wants to immerse the new students to adjust well as doctors so clinicals and soft skills are incorporated very early on.
Meanwhile, YLL believes they have already sussed out all soft skills so less training is needed. Again, there is no good or bad. , just about fit and Individual personalities or traits which can benefit more from which culture.

YLL also has strong history while LKC is more accepting since it is pioneering. One senior summed it up as do you want to grow into the school or do you want to grow with the school ?

More importantly, I spoke to my friends who are teaching consultants for both - they take both clinical rotations at their hospitals ( diff days of the same week). They said no discernible difference in school “products” , at the ground it is the individual performance that is key. YLL are confident , LKC are well adjusted.

Also, talk to allied health as they are the ones who see these students “unmasked”. Head of allied health professor in one of the healthcare clusters told me over the weekend they prefer LKC as they are kinder and more team based. Could be unique to this one opinion so I encourage we all talk to more to get a better sense. Many are not aware that junior doctors have to work with nurses and allied health to actually succeed in their initial years. Burnout And mental health issues are real !

Whatever school, I am sure they have have seen something that was a fit or potential to be the type of doctor they want to grow. The key now is which will bring out the best and keep the learning journey happy and motivating?

[mother777]

lucid\" post_id=\"2133395\" time=\"1714955861\" user_id=\"14312:

I hope child will be able to go in to both and experience for himself. The timings on 11 May do make it seem impossible to give each full due diligence.

What DS knows is - almost every senior who could choose regretted in a way not choosing LKC. However, they will laugh it off to just make best of it and focus on the positives cause opportunities are what you make of it. The regrets come primarily from welfare, culture and breathing space. Also, I believe LKC wants to immerse the new students to adjust well as doctors so clinicals and soft skills are incorporated very early on.
Meanwhile, YLL believes they have already sussed out all soft skills so less training is needed. Again, there is no good or bad. , just about fit and Individual personalities or traits which can benefit more from which culture.

YLL also has strong history while LKC is more accepting since it is pioneering. One senior summed it up as do you want to grow into the school or do you want to grow with the school ?

More importantly, I spoke to my friends who are teaching consultants for both - they take both clinical rotations at their hospitals ( diff days of the same week). They said no discernible difference in school “products” , at the ground it is the individual performance that is key. YLL are confident , LKC are well adjusted.

Also, talk to allied health as they are the ones who see these students “unmasked”. Head of allied health professor in one of the healthcare clusters told me over the weekend they prefer LKC as they are kinder and more team based. Could be unique to this one opinion so I encourage we all talk to more to get a better sense. Many are not aware that junior doctors have to work with nurses and allied health to actually succeed in their initial years. Burnout And mental health issues are real !

Whatever school, I am sure they have have seen something that was a fit or potential to be the type of doctor they want to grow. The key now is which will bring out the best and keep the learning journey happy and motivating?

Thank you Lucid for sharing your thoughts and conversations with people who see our the med school grads in action.

Very insightful and hopefully will give food for thought to prospective students and parents with double offers.

I have shared your response with my DD. She will extreme happy and content to read it.

Indeed med, like any other profession is a team based work. No doctor can be successful on his own merit alone unless he/she is support by the lovely nursing team and allied health professionals.

[0548ling]

lucid\" post_id=\"2133395\" time=\"1714955861\" user_id=\"14312:

I hope child will be able to go in to both and experience for himself. The timings on 11 May do make it seem impossible to give each full due diligence.

What DS knows is - almost every senior who could choose regretted in a way not choosing LKC. However, they will laugh it off to just make best of it and focus on the positives cause opportunities are what you make of it. The regrets come primarily from welfare, culture and breathing space. Also, I believe LKC wants to immerse the new students to adjust well as doctors so clinicals and soft skills are incorporated very early on.
Meanwhile, YLL believes they have already sussed out all soft skills so less training is needed. Again, there is no good or bad. , just about fit and Individual personalities or traits which can benefit more from which culture.

YLL also has strong history while LKC is more accepting since it is pioneering. One senior summed it up as do you want to grow into the school or do you want to grow with the school ?

More importantly, I spoke to my friends who are teaching consultants for both - they take both clinical rotations at their hospitals ( diff days of the same week). They said no discernible difference in school “products” , at the ground it is the individual performance that is key. YLL are confident , LKC are well adjusted.

Also, talk to allied health as they are the ones who see these students “unmasked”. Head of allied health professor in one of the healthcare clusters told me over the weekend they prefer LKC as they are kinder and more team based. Could be unique to this one opinion so I encourage we all talk to more to get a better sense. Many are not aware that junior doctors have to work with nurses and allied health to actually succeed in their initial years. Burnout And mental health issues are real !

Whatever school, I am sure they have have seen something that was a fit or potential to be the type of doctor they want to grow. The key now is which will bring out the best and keep the learning journey happy and motivating?

Thanks for your info.
As a parent's point of view and will discuss with our kid is our concern of ranking of university and long story of university. What do you think?

[TurtleSoup]

I think parents have not heard of interdisciplinary courses that LKCMedicine students need to take. They WILL mix with students from other schools.

[lucid]

0548ling\" post_id=\"2133401\" time=\"1714962720\" user_id=\"15306:

Thanks for your info.
As a parent's point of view and will discuss with our kid is our concern of ranking of university and long story of university. What do you think?

Yes. If we come to that , then for prestige and heritage, he should take the Oxbridge offer with secured scholarship!
At their age, I see our roles as facilitators to help them make their own decisions. We can give input but the decision will have to be theirs as it will be the lives they lead.

[lucid]

TurtleSoup\" post_id=\"2133402\" time=\"1714963802\" user_id=\"185378:

I think parents have not heard of interdisciplinary courses that LKCMedicine students need to take. They WILL mix with students from other schools.

I think it starts too now with YLL as I was told they hv a team across nursing, med, bioscience. It’s pretty new though so not sure if they just started this year.
Is there a problem “mixing” with students from other schools ? How else are they going to learn to interact with patients and peers from all backgrounds to succeed in med ?

[0548ling]

lucid\" post_id=\"2133403\" time=\"1714964236\" user_id=\"14312:

Yes. If we come to that , then for prestige and heritage, he should take the Oxbridge offer with secured scholarship!
At their age, I see our roles as facilitators to help them make their own decisions. We can give input but the decision will have to be theirs as it will be the lives they lead.

If able to get in Oxbridge with secured scholarship then why not? :lol: