Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates

[Nebbermind]

.zeit\" post_id=\"1964125\" time=\"1582162675\" user_id=\"171271:

Did you 2 actually watch and understand the video and the Cantonese headline? Your comments don't gel with the gist and 'ayes' and thumbs-up below. 高B哥 thinks highly of Singapore's DPM-designate in this video and has given a positive interpretation/analysis of CCS' leaked remarks. Media slant is neutral but more towards positive.
He actually believes CCS (or his proxy) had deliberately leaked the video to let the pp of SG hear the hard truths. He sees CCS as a political 高手 who is so wise that he leveraged on HK sheeple's idiocy to send a coded message to SCs, cautioning them not to end up like HK because SG simply can't afford to.

Please read the Cantonese comments below which are mostly positive. HK posters agreed with CCS' comments on their govt and panic-buyers.

There are a couple of other HK vloggers commenting on the leaked audio too, and most HK comments were all in favour of Singapore and CCS.

孔子说：“智者乐水，仁者乐山。” 智者为何乐水？究其因，智慧如水。
水有小溪之水，有江河之水，有海之水。然而这些水却有不同的力量。当它为溪水时，慢慢流淌，遇石则绕过，积聚有限的力量，汇入江河。江水遇石则横冲而过，不断超越，不断更新。它的目标是汇入大海。那时它就可以拥有排山倒海的力量。

智慧如水，水无常形。逐水而居，心随水动，或者水动心不动，这就是东方智慧的精髓!

But hor...the pro independent group will 'aye' everything that is against Carrie Lam and her govt...no?

[Nebbermind]

.zeit\" post_id=\"1964140\" time=\"1582166089\" user_id=\"171271:

Stop picking isolated comments like JadedFox. I think you can do better. DORSCON was already used in 2009. Were you still working in 2009? How can you not have heard of DORSCON? DSTA should know DOSCON better than anyone else. MHA should also know DORSCON, right?

I don't understand why it is so difficult to understand that the precious masks must be reserved for the frontliners. It's commonsense. That was so in SARS 2003 and H1H1 2009, and will again be so now.

What's the point of criticising CCS time and again? You want to bring down Singapore by shaming our leader, is it?

As far as I'm concerned, he is not my MP and he will still reappear in parliament again as he has a lot of supporters from the Hokkien peng group, unions, party and grassroots orgs.

So deal with his beng-ness and code-switched English and move on.

Actually, at first I thought it's common sense too.
Then hor...after finding out that CCS had to explain the rationale of \"rationing\" to business leaders in such detail, I started to accept that it doesn't come naturally to most people.

[Parent]

.zeit\" post_id=\"1964137\" time=\"1582165411\" user_id=\"171271:

pirate\" post_id=\"1964098\" time=\"1582133003\" user_id=\"66252:

Give it a rest. Haven't you already noticed that you are getting supportive response from only a handful of the same people? Sheesh.

Those highly educated opposition sycophants like Lim Tean who claim to have critical thinking skills can't seem to get it. A large no of HK and TW look to SG for benchmarks and precedents as they don't quite know how to implement viable public policies.

During SARS, HK administration was so inept that they had to seek advice from SG advisors almost on a daily basis on how to combat the outbreak. They also like to adopt a wait-and-see approach in announcing their annual budget and other stimulus packages. They will wait for SG govt to roll out ours first before they roll out theirs to get some ideas and more buy-in from their pesky people. Carrie Lam just released her COVID19 stimulus package after we did on 18 Feb. They are so unsure of their own policies.

TW govt is also always looking up to SG for directions and solutions, though they're overall more competent than the useless HK govt. They had the draft stimulus package some days ago, but when asked by media, they said they would only be ready in early March. Ha! They need to cross-reference SG govt's sample first. So many copy-cat policies I see being rolled out by both KMT and DPP govts, from dengue fever guidelines, skills future, baby bonus package to edusave dollar-for-dollar top-ups. TW just tweak and rehash some parts here and there to suit their demographic. HK and TW always plan for the short-term, unlike us.

The 2 masks every 7 days system implemented by TW, which I initially thought was good, has now taken the toll on those 6,000+ designated pharmacies. The Taiwan Pharmacist Association members are now so burdened by the laborious task of packing 2 masks per ziplock bag (notwithstanding a separate pile of kids size masks waiting for the pharmacists to pack) and the mandatory job of selling hand sanitizers.

It has complained to the authorities that they want to sell 4 masks every 14 days instead of 7 days, because their pharmacists don't want to pack so little quantity so many times indefinitely and has appealed to end this mode of distribution via health insurance card by April. But the govt kept sending newly produced masks from the factories to these pharmacies to do the menial packing and selling.

So in a way, CCS' 'Gxxble' was not wrong. If you don't exercise discipline, our poor NSmen will have to keep packing new batches of masks like crazy and our stockpile will be depleted very soon.

Maybe HK again waiting to see what Singapore is doing before taking similar actions, like whether Singapore will bar visitors coming in from China?🤣🤣🤣

[Sun_2010]

Estéema\" post_id=\"1964062\" time=\"1582098798\" user_id=\"66413:

Sun_2010\" post_id=\"1964056\" time=\"1582097401\" user_id=\"18393:

Need some advice, I was wondering which transport is better for work, given the Covid19 situation, for me.
Would love to hear KSPs opinion/suggestion
1. By Bus - journey time 1 hr. I get in early so will probably get a place to sit . Find long bus journeys tiring, the start -stops makes me uncomfortable.
2. By MRT - have to take 2 lines , each about 8-10 mins max
3. Taxi/Grab etc.
Currently I use option 2, use a mask when on MRT - wash hands with soap once I reach office.

Overall , I have avoided Taxi/Private Hire Cars, when when I did use them , used mask, used hand sanitiser once I get off.

Any other precaution I could take?

I wld choose MRT & if need shuttle bus, so be it. Peak hours crowd best use mask but pls rmbr don’t rub nose, don’t scratch eyes, balance yrself well & don’t touch rails or handles. Tall order right?

I’ve no choice but to ferry FIL in Grab, for his alternate day dialysis. I typically request windows to be wounded up. No mask on me. Once reached dialysis centre, take out masks for FIL & use hand sanitizers for both of us as we wld hv touched the doors, seats & seat belts. FIL had been in/out hospital 5/6 times since 2nd week of Jan to-date due to issues of dialysis catheter contamination. Thankful nothing else & managed to avoid COVID even tho visiting high risks areas.

Just take every precautions if u’re really fearful. I try not to live in fear, but take some precautions.

Thanks Esteema !

With my kids and parents , I worry if I fall sick, it might impact them a lot more. Taking precautions and trying to maintain normalcy. One thing I must really do is sleep more. Sleeping past midnight is not good for my old bones

Hope your FIL has recovered. Dad has a routine visit to the geriatric doc in March, thinkin I should call up and postpone by a month.

[hercules]

Nebbermind\" post_id=\"1964143\" time=\"1582166523\" user_id=\"15571:

Actually, at first I thought it's common sense too.
Then hor...after finding out that CCS had to explain the rationale of \"rationing\" to business leaders in such detail, I started to accept that it doesn't come naturally to most people.

Has it got to do with my observation of some highly educated people have poor critical thinking skills (something wrong with our education system)?

This COVID episode presents itself good opportunities to share with older kids about the meaning of 'information' and how one must read from multiple sources and preferably from multiple languages and learn how to discern facts from fiction before forming an opinion (and thereby course of actions) for self.

My girl said the biggest problem with the Japanese is most of them do not read or listen to news other than in Japanese and so their world vision is narrower/limited in that sense.

[Sun_2010]

Interesting simulation although simplified

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/health/coronavirus-how-epidemics-spread-and-end/

[lee_yl]

.zeit\" post_id=\"1964140\" time=\"1582166089\" user_id=\"171271:

Stop picking isolated comments like JadedFox. I think you can do better. DORSCON was already used in 2009. Were you still working in 2009? How can you not have heard of DORSCON? DSTA should know DOSCON better than anyone else. MHA should also know DORSCON, right?

I don't understand why it is so difficult to understand that the precious masks must be reserved for the frontliners. It's commonsense. That was so in SARS 2003 and H1H1 2009, and will again be so now.

What's the point of criticising CCS time and again? You want to bring down Singapore by shaming our leader, is it?

As far as I'm concerned, he is not my MP and he will still reappear in parliament again as he has a lot of supporters from the Hokkien peng group, unions, party and grassroots orgs.

So deal with his beng-ness and code-switched English and move on.

Aiya, ever since I joined KSP, you have been a big fan of CCS.

You think by my single post, I can bring down Singapore?

It is not difficult to understand that limited, precious masks must be reserved for the frontliners. Then just communicate this point clearly to the public, don’t keep assuring that the stockpile of masks is enough to last the population for 6 months. Next time who will believe you?
Don’t give us 4 masks per family and then talk the “hard truth” of taking a gamble behind our backs. Today, the masks and hand sanitizers my family is using are NOT from the govt, they are from my good friends who imported them from elsewhere.

Maybe I am more vocal but I am definitely not the only one feeling upset upon hearing what the minister said. NS talk, some would say, like how an officer would talk to his men, uncouth and condescending but not appropriate for a statesman.

Hope this serves as an important lesson to other aspiring statesman, think before you speak, don’t get too carried away, you never know who is recording your conversation.

[6thisnthat9]

hercules\" post_id=\"1964153\" time=\"1582168048\" user_id=\"14947:

Nebbermind\" post_id=\"1964143\" time=\"1582166523\" user_id=\"15571:

Actually, at first I thought it's common sense too.
Then hor...after finding out that CCS had to explain the rationale of \"rationing\" to business leaders in such detail, I started to accept that it doesn't come naturally to most people.

Has it got to do with my observation of some highly educated people have poor critical thinking skills (something wrong with our education system)?

This COVID episode presents itself good opportunities to share with older kids about the meaning of 'information' and how one must read from multiple sources and preferably from multiple languages and learn how to discern facts from fiction before forming an opinion (and thereby course of actions) for self.

My girl said the biggest problem with the Japanese is most of them do not read or listen to news other than in Japanese and so their world vision is narrower/limited in that sense.

Yes agree. Good lesson to learn for kids about using information. Have good judgement skills. I wanted to share w my kids too, can also learn macro econs, intl trade, etc.
But concern w too much singlish for p5s so i did not.
No G in the world is perfect, but i prefer our G, we r rich but we dont be sucker to pay high price for such if we how to manage what we have. A bit like parents do when we had to decide what's best for our kids and family if we had to choose or prioritise.

Drastic situation calls for drastic measures.

I did not and cant read/listen well in cantonese or chinese.

[iFirefly]

Great initiative by National Junior College.. Teaching students to be resourceful, creative and self-sufficient by putting knowledge into practice :idea:



“Instead of worrying, why not figure out solutions together?”

With that in mind, National Junior College Singapore’s Vice-Principal and one-time Science teacher Mr Harman Johll rallied his team to create ‘school-made’ hand sanitisers for each class. The team used materials that were already there in school – in the labs and left over from other projects. The lesson for students: Be resourceful, imaginative and, most important, apply what you’ve learnt in Science class! Students were also taught that hand sanitisers are a secondary measure – hand-washing with soap is still the most effective way to protect ourselves.


https://www.facebook.com/6788957003/posts/10159256714492004/

[Estéema]

Nebbermind\" post_id=\"1964143\" time=\"1582166523\" user_id=\"15571:

.zeit\" post_id=\"1964140\" time=\"1582166089\" user_id=\"171271:

Stop picking isolated comments like JadedFox. I think you can do better. DORSCON was already used in 2009. Were you still working in 2009? How can you not have heard of DORSCON? DSTA should know DOSCON better than anyone else. MHA should also know DORSCON, right?

I don't understand why it is so difficult to understand that the precious masks must be reserved for the frontliners. It's commonsense. That was so in SARS 2003 and H1H1 2009, and will again be so now.

What's the point of criticising CCS time and again? You want to bring down Singapore by shaming our leader, is it?

As far as I'm concerned, he is not my MP and he will still reappear in parliament again as he has a lot of supporters from the Hokkien peng group, unions, party and grassroots orgs.

So deal with his beng-ness and code-switched English and move on.

Actually, at first I thought it's common sense too.
Then hor...after finding out that CCS had to explain the rationale of \"rationing\" to business leaders in such detail, I started to accept that it doesn't come naturally to most people.

The bzmen/leaders are not stupid, just like all Sporeans aren’t. But when in crisis, we all ran to protect our own brood (family, properties, bz viability...) that we don’t look at the big picture & where the guardposts shld be (not homefront alone but all gantry posts) and we don’t see all the connections but only those tt were nearsight, as the national/Int’l/WHO leaders need to check for key source & sub-sources of infections to stop gap & who will be there to help segregate the deadly viruses if we don’t preserve our key & knowledgeable medical frontliners. Other frontliners are just impt, tho they may not be leaders (our taxi drivers, cleaners, security personnel, ...

The rest of us just need to listen carefully where these resources need to be prioritized. I didn’t realized how short we can be of masks or thermometers. Why then the leaders hv to caution our wise use, until I travel out & realized shortages are everywhere & most needy in China & Wuhan. I began to learn how to keep myself reasonably safe in view of resource shortages by being responsible to myself, my family & my community. Guess we’re abit like the patriarch holding limited resources & allocate accordingly & yes, wld probably ‘favor’ the more able in hope that he can bring the brood to a higher level when other members hv perceived inabilities. S’times, Human behaviour is such the middle child syndrome & the ones not getting the ‘perceived most’ will kick up fuss, oppositional and throw tandrum. I see it even in my own elderly. Some just don’t see the big picture no matter how much you do for their best interests.

S’times it’s so discouraging, I’ve to let the tandrum continue & walk off till somehow they realized you were always caring & hv their interests at heart. But walking off is painful for me, coz I want to be there for my elderly at their every needs. I wonder if our leaders feel discouraged after explaining exhaustively, after spending late nights reading & u’stand’g this new monster of virus hitting the world, meeting long hours to direct resources, etc. I wonder where donthey find the strength & motivation to keep going till stroke strikes their health, white hair or no hair starts showing? Is it worth it? It can’t be done without a calling to serve more than 100s, 1000s, millions of differing voices & needs.

I learn not to point fingers. I learn to be part of the community & ppl are part of my skin for w/o them, I’ll be I an island by myself. I learn to do what I can even if a kind word to a stranger Grab driver, who isn’t a stranger coz he’s my kind driver ferrying me or family to our destination. We all in this together. So, I hope to be a positive part of community. No an empty sounding gong. Hope :xedfingers: