Scholarships should be based on merit, not nationality: Baey

[Dad42]

atutor2001:

ksi:

....However, if the scholarship is awarded by public funds, i.e. govt, then I believe we have to seek the general consensus of the public.


To me, since foreigners have other avenues to obtain the scholarship, I would prefer my money to go to local kids to further their studies. Besides the pool of local kids is greater, surely we need to support them more. Just being pragmatic.

I would not object if the foreign scholar comes from poor family who cannot afford to pay for entry to their top school or university. However, it is not the case most of the times. Many of these scholars are very rich and S'pore is only a stepping stone for them to settle in US and Europe.

Why waste the resources doing training for the developed countries. Perhaps MOE should seriously include \"financial background\" as a consideration for awarding scholarship. It is silly to think that the rich will move over if their kids studied here. So far my personal kaypohing proved that the very smart ones disappeared to US or UK after JC. Left in NUS/NTU are the not so smart ones, waiting for their chance to run. So their presence will also not help much in improving the standard of our local uni.

Some PRC even disappear after gradution and not returning to Singapore to serve their bonds. It is like taking our money and not returning back. Yet this silly garment still keep offering scholarship to them. :yikes:

[caroline3sg]

Dad42:

Some PRC even disappear after gradution and not returning to Singapore to serve their bonds. It is like taking our money and not returning back. Yet this silly garment still keep offering scholarship to them. :yikes:

I remember reading somewhere that S'pore govt wants to raise the standard of NUS/NTU internationally (there is list of ranking Ivy League, Oxford, Cambridge etc etc) hence grant scholarships based on merit. Just like in the sports arena - Li Jia Wei, Tao Li, bringing medals for S'pore so that the world knows S'pore can be well known in sports too.

[Oppsgal]

caroline3sg:

Dad42:

Some PRC even disappear after gradution and not returning to Singapore to serve their bonds. It is like taking our money and not returning back. Yet this silly garment still keep offering scholarship to them. :yikes:

I remember reading somewhere that S'pore govt wants to raise the standard of NUS/NTU internationally (there is list of ranking Ivy League, Oxford, Cambridge etc etc) hence grant scholarships based on merit. Just like in the sports arena - Li Jia Wei, Tao Li, bringing medals for S'pore so that the world knows S'pore can be well known in sports too.

:roll: nothing to be proud off, just my thoughts.

[atutor2001]

caroline3sg:

I remember reading somewhere that S'pore govt wants to raise the standard of NUS/NTU internationally (there is list of ranking Ivy League, Oxford, Cambridge etc etc) hence grant scholarships based on merit. Just like in the sports arena - Li Jia Wei, Tao Li, bringing medals for S'pore so that the world knows S'pore can be well known in sports too.

Yes, that is their intention but it is not working. The super smart ones will be offered full scholarship by those top uni and they will disappear after JC. Left behind in NUS and NTU are the study until die types - cannot achieve much.

[hquek]

limlim:

Saw this in 1 of the forums..


\"If your neighbor's kid do better than yours, you should pay for their school fees?\"

In this case, their living expenses also leh? Would be funny except that I pays taxes hor, both direct and indirect...

[caroline3sg]

atutor2001:

caroline3sg:

I remember reading somewhere that S'pore govt wants to raise the standard of NUS/NTU internationally (there is list of ranking Ivy League, Oxford, Cambridge etc etc) hence grant scholarships based on merit. Just like in the sports arena - Li Jia Wei, Tao Li, bringing medals for S'pore so that the world knows S'pore can be well known in sports too.

Yes, that is their intention but it is not working. The super smart ones will be offered full scholarship by those top uni and they will disappear after JC. Left behind in NUS and NTU are the study until die types - cannot achieve much.

Now the ranking is about the richest country. S'pore 3rd. :roll:

http://business.asiaone.com/Business/News/My%2BMoney/Story/A1Story20120223-329681.html

[dragonflysg]

atutor2001:

I would not object if the foreign scholar comes from poor family who cannot afford to pay for entry to their top school or university. However, it is not the case most of the times. Many of these scholars are very rich and S'pore is only a stepping stone for them to settle in US and Europe.


Why waste the resources doing training for the developed countries. Perhaps MOE should seriously include \"financial background\" as a consideration for awarding scholarship. It is silly to think that the rich will move over if their kids studied here. So far my personal kaypohing proved that the very smart ones disappeared to US or UK after JC. Left in NUS/NTU are the not so smart ones, waiting for their chance to run. So their presence will also not help much in improving the standard of our local uni.

I disagree mainly with your first statement. I do not agree that we should pay for someone else's kid who is poor and cannot get into THEIR own top Uni to come to ours. Our Unis are not a dumping ground for unwanted or unsuccessful second rate foreigners, with scholarships paid by us some more.

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[LOLMum]

dragonflysg:

atutor2001:

I would not object if the foreign scholar comes from poor family who cannot afford to pay for entry to their top school or university. However, it is not the case most of the times. Many of these scholars are very rich and S'pore is only a stepping stone for them to settle in US and Europe.


Why waste the resources doing training for the developed countries. Perhaps MOE should seriously include \"financial background\" as a consideration for awarding scholarship. It is silly to think that the rich will move over if their kids studied here. So far my personal kaypohing proved that the very smart ones disappeared to US or UK after JC. Left in NUS/NTU are the not so smart ones, waiting for their chance to run. So their presence will also not help much in improving the standard of our local uni.

I disagree mainly with your first statement. I do not agree that we should pay for someone else's kid who is poor and cannot get into THEIR own top Uni to come to ours. Our Unis are not a dumping ground for unwanted or unsuccessful second rate foreigners, with scholarships paid by us some more.

lumping them as unwanted or unsuccessful second rate foreigners is definitely not right.

it was exposed in the papers (china) that many of these bright poor students were ignored by many uni because they do not have the right connections.

i am all for giving out scholarships to them to study here. there should however be a cap and a fairer distribution to not just give most scholarships to 1 country and preferably to those of poor families (farmers, workers and not doctors, lawyers etc).

[dragonflysg]

LOLMum:

dragonflysg:

[quote=\"atutor2001\"]I would not object if the foreign scholar comes from poor family who cannot afford to pay for entry to their top school or university. However, it is not the case most of the times. Many of these scholars are very rich and S'pore is only a stepping stone for them to settle in US and Europe.


Why waste the resources doing training for the developed countries. Perhaps MOE should seriously include \"financial background\" as a consideration for awarding scholarship. It is silly to think that the rich will move over if their kids studied here. So far my personal kaypohing proved that the very smart ones disappeared to US or UK after JC. Left in NUS/NTU are the not so smart ones, waiting for their chance to run. So their presence will also not help much in improving the standard of our local uni.

I disagree mainly with your first statement. I do not agree that we should pay for someone else's kid who is poor and cannot get into THEIR own top Uni to come to ours. Our Unis are not a dumping ground for unwanted or unsuccessful second rate foreigners, with scholarships paid by us some more.

lumping them as unwanted or unsuccessful second rate foreigners is definitely not right.

it was exposed in the papers (china) that many of these bright poor students were ignored by many uni because they do not have the right connections.

i am all for giving out scholarships to them to study here. there should however be a cap and a fairer distribution to not just give most scholarships to 1 country and preferably to those of poor families (farmers, workers and not doctors, lawyers etc).[/quote]Then I question how many. Is it our gov role to help other countries' poor or our own first? What was the number of full scholarships for locals vs foreign specifically for poor people in your statement? What is the total and per capita value in comparison?