Are you ready for 7 million people on tiny Singapore?

[daddy2007]

Dora1:

So actually the weakest link is allowing 1 of the PR couple to convert to SCs. All the cooling measures or whatever other measures will not work on these people who have the intention of abusing the system and cash in on the benefits. That's why they should not allow only 1 spouse to convert. Want to convert both must convert together.

Ya... I also agree that the whole family should convert to citizen. Else don't give. Doesn't make sense 1 is a SC and the rest are PRs as a family

[pirate]

MR06:

I can bear with the overcrowding, the competition, the uncouth behaviour, the bad breathe and the arm-pit smell.... I only worry what I feared most would come true.....


We embrace savvy people who come here during the good times not because they want to be citizens or have intention to call Singapore their home.

They have no qualms in circumventing the requirements to qualify as citizens, as PRs. They are out to reap maximum gains for themselves and make a quick exit with their loot when times are bad.

What would happen to our country, our economy and most importantly our people? I don't worry about the trees I grow in my garden that started out as seedlings. I am just worried about how the mature trees that I transplanted in my garden fare when I have continuous stormy days knowing how deep their roots are...... :sad:

Hence my national service for first generation citizen suggestion. Best way to weed out all these mercenaries.

[concern2]

3Boys:

limlim:

Actually, many MPs are multi-taskers with numerous directorship or interest in various business is it not?

And the suggestion is.....? All elected to parliament quit their day jobs? then how will they know what a working man's or businessman's perspective is?

Ya lor, It is not like Singapore is soo big with soooo many problems that they can't handle other jobs at the same time, right? Some more most MPs and Ministers have strong grassroot support, they don't really have to hands-on at Town Council matters what, it shows they are good delegators ... they can spend their time with more worthy jobs forming policies that help make Singapore a better place to live in with GREATER impact, and planning 20 years in advance even though they do not have 20/20 eyesight or foresight - to see beyond ordinary citizens like us cannot see ....... :siam:

[concern2]

pirate:

The question we should be asking is not why our policy makers are embarking on what appears to be a population ponzi scheme for the sake of economic growth.


The question we should be asking is what will we have our policy makers do in the face of other people (ie. our neighbours and the other economic powers whether international or regional) embarking on what appears to be a population ponzi scheme for the sake of their economic growth. If not this, then what?

:scratchhead: Don't exactly get your point. You mean other countries are doing it, and we are just doing the same thing, if not, what our garmen should do if they don't do the same? Sorri, that's my \"layman's understanding\" of what you mean..

[limlim]

3Boys:

limlim:

[quote=\"Fairy\"]
Really?
The supposed economic benefits equals GDP growth which will translate into fat bonuses for those whose financial rewards are tied to GDP growth?

Actually, many MPs are multi-taskers with numerous directorship or interest in various business is it not?

And the suggestion is.....? All elected to parliament quit their day jobs? then how will they know what a working man's or businessman's perspective is?[/quote]the topic now is whether \"The MIW crafting these policies stand to personally benefit much from it\"..

I'm not making a judgement nor suggest what they shd do, just quote what seems to be a fact, that they hold many positions.

[Strparent]

concern2:

3Boys:

[quote=\"limlim\"]

Actually, many MPs are multi-taskers with numerous directorship or interest in various business is it not?

And the suggestion is.....? All elected to parliament quit their day jobs? then how will they know what a working man's or businessman's perspective is?

Ya lor, It is not like Singapore is soo big with soooo many problems that they can't handle other jobs at the same time, right? Some more most MPs and Ministers have strong grassroot support, they don't really have to hands-on at Town Council matters what, it shows they are good delegators ... they can spend their time with more worthy jobs forming policies that help make Singapore a better place to live in with GREATER impact, and planning 20 years in advance even though they do not have 20/20 eyesight or foresight - to see beyond ordinary citizens like us cannot see ....... :siam:[/quote]concern2,

the problem is some of those older generation MPs sit on so many boards that they also dont know whats going on. just 'bak ji le mia' (mark your name) to enhance company reputation, and can soemtimes get nice year end directors' fee. I know of some directors see once a year, can get 6 figure sum de last time. Gold mine, sibei song. :drool: :drool:

nobody ask them to quit their day jobs ( like the WP guys so as to focus on ppl ), but they moonlight so many part time jobs until morn morn cha cha .

we kpkb about PRs and ppl abusing loopholes to make money renting out HDB, this one lagi easy, rent out name nia nia

[limlim]

concern2:

3Boys:

[quote=\"limlim\"]

Actually, many MPs are multi-taskers with numerous directorship or interest in various business is it not?

And the suggestion is.....? All elected to parliament quit their day jobs? then how will they know what a working man's or businessman's perspective is?

Ya lor, It is not like Singapore is soo big with soooo many problems that they can't handle other jobs at the same time, right? Some more most MPs and Ministers have strong grassroot support, they don't really have to hands-on at Town Council matters what, it shows they are good delegators ... they can spend their time with more worthy jobs forming policies that help make Singapore a better place to live in with GREATER impact, and planning 20 years in advance even though they do not have 20/20 eyesight or foresight - to see beyond ordinary citizens like us cannot see ....... :siam:[/quote]Or do honorable things....... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

[pirate]

concern2:

pirate:

The question we should be asking is not why our policy makers are embarking on what appears to be a population ponzi scheme for the sake of economic growth.


The question we should be asking is what will we have our policy makers do in the face of other people (ie. our neighbours and the other economic powers whether international or regional) embarking on what appears to be a population ponzi scheme for the sake of their economic growth. If not this, then what?

:scratchhead: Don't exactly get your point. You mean other countries are doing it, and we are just doing the same thing, if not, what our garmen should do if they don't do the same? Sorri, that's my \"layman's understanding\" of what you mean..

Yah. I very the long winded one.

[concern2]

Strparent:

concern2:

[quote=\"3Boys\"]

And the suggestion is.....? All elected to parliament quit their day jobs? then how will they know what a working man's or businessman's perspective is?

Ya lor, It is not like Singapore is soo big with soooo many problems that they can't handle other jobs at the same time, right? Some more most MPs and Ministers have strong grassroot support, they don't really have to hands-on at Town Council matters what, it shows they are good delegators ... they can spend their time with more worthy jobs forming policies that help make Singapore a better place to live in with GREATER impact, and planning 20 years in advance even though they do not have 20/20 eyesight or foresight - to see beyond ordinary citizens like us cannot see ....... :siam:

concern2,

the problem is some of those older generation MPs sit on so many boards that they also dont know whats going on. just 'bak ji le mia' (mark your name) to enhance company reputation, and can soemtimes get nice year end directors' fee. I know of some directors see once a year, can get 6 figure sum de last time. Gold mine, sibei song. :drool: :drool: [/quote]Ahhhh......so productive hor, name only also can make money just like that...

Strparent:

nobody ask them to quit their day jobs ( like the WP guys so as to focus on ppl ), but they moonlight so many part time jobs until morn morn cha cha .

Explains their absenteeism record in parliament? :evil:

[3Boys]

concern2:

3Boys:

[quote=\"limlim\"]

Actually, many MPs are multi-taskers with numerous directorship or interest in various business is it not?

And the suggestion is.....? All elected to parliament quit their day jobs? then how will they know what a working man's or businessman's perspective is?

Ya lor, It is not like Singapore is soo big with soooo many problems that they can't handle other jobs at the same time, right? Some more most MPs and Ministers have strong grassroot support, they don't really have to hands-on at Town Council matters what, it shows they are good delegators ... they can spend their time with more worthy jobs forming policies that help make Singapore a better place to live in with GREATER impact, and planning 20 years in advance even though they do not have 20/20 eyesight or foresight - to see beyond ordinary citizens like us cannot see ....... :siam:[/quote]I have no problems with MPs holding down full time jobs, running their own businesses or being on boards. It's the same the whole world over.

I would have an issue perhaps if MINISTERS, who are supposed to be full time, are on boards of PRIVATE companies (of course, they may be on stat boards and such).

Are sitting ministers allowed to sit on boards of private companies?

Frankly, this class war thingy is getting tiresome. Do we not push our kids to excel, and to excel does it not mean to be able to do things better?

I just don't understand the hang ups