Any parents of gifted children here ?

[lizawa]

[quote]i am just curious that how GEP paper determine the kids to be giifted or not?

how is maths and english alone are enough to gauge that?[/quote]I think basically the 1st round with English and Maths tests will gauge if the kids are \"potentially gifted\". So if they can do well for these 2 subjects, some questions are beyond their level, they get shortlisted for the 2nd round of test.

There is a GAT (General Ability Test) paper which the child will need to take besides English and Maths for round 2. This is a psychometric test which supposedly will be able to differentiate those who are more suited for the GEP program than others.

[tamarind]

The GEP only identifies children who are gifted in english and maths.


There are many different types of giftedness. Like Mozart who is gifted in music, and Picasso who is gifted in art. I don't think they can get into the GEP I think even Bill Gates or Donald Trump also may not get into the GEP

There are also people who are gifted in interpersonal relationship, and they can sell anything to anyone. They may not even pass their O levels, but they may become very successful(rich) property agents, etc. Personally I think these people are very gifted.

How about kids who are superb in maths, but only average in english ? I think their overall scores will still pull them down right ?

[lizawa]

[quote]How about kids who are superb in maths, but only average in english ? I think their overall scores will still pull them down right ?[/quote]
I don't know the answer. But my feeling is no. My gut feeling is the tests can identify the really talented ones. Do see some GEP kids who are very strong in Maths but average in English. And others who are exceptionally strong in languages but average in MAths and Science.

However, we cannot deny the fact that those who are more prepared, ie those who have done well generally academically, stand a higher chance to get into GEP, or at least shortlisted for 2nd round. I am not sure, but there could be kids who are late developers and they may be filtered out at P3. In the past, after P6, selected students again will go for GEP tests to see if they are eligble for Secondary GEP. But since most of the secondary GEP centres have turned independent, MOE has stopped this practice.

[tamarind]

I heard there is no more GEP in secondary schools. So GEP is only for P4 - P6, 3 years only right ?


Since the GEP test the kids on higher levels of english and maths, it is possible for parents to cram P3 kids with P6 syllabus. Then that kid will probably do well in the test.

[lizawa]

[quote]Since the GEP test the kids on higher levels of english and maths, it is possible for parents to cram P3 kids with P6 syllabus. Then that kid will probably do well in the test.[/quote]
You probably could. But then, is that what you really want ? There are many enrichment centres out there who charge a lot to \"preapre kids for GEP screening tests\". They kind of guarantee that the kids can go past the 1st round. But they don't take anybody in, they do their own screening first.

Our school's principal advises us against doing any preparation for the GEP tests. Main reason is that, should the kids be selected, not because of his/her own \"giftedness\", then, he / she will suffer in the program. The GEP P4 - P6 program is very different from the normal syllabus. More high order thinking, more project work, less drilling and spoon feeding. On the assumption that the kids should already know the basics. So they are \"less prepared\", in my opinion for PSLE.

[metz]

tamarind:

Since the GEP test the kids on higher levels of english and maths, it is possible for parents to cram P3 kids with P6 syllabus.

If a P3 kid can finish P6 syllabus effortlessly, then he/she must be exceptionally gifted. School would probably have identified the said child earlier and recommended him/her other alternatives.
http://www.moe.gov.sg/education/programmes/gifted-education-programme/faq/exceptionally-gifted

So far, I have only heard (in the forum from one ex teacher) of one case where a P1 boy was allowed to skip level. Apparently, the boy scored distinctions for PSLE papers.

[gifted]

There are also all rounder in the GEP class. Some of them still score an average of 80 marks for every subject. Some are also talented in music, sports and arts too.


The basic three subjects that they are taught in school are higher than P6 level. They learnt math topics which are teach in Sec 2 and for English is Sec 1 level. They are required to do reseach and study the topics first before the teacher even teaches them. They are required to attend remedial classes too if they do not do well enough. My girl was make to stay back during recess time for English remedial. It is true that they are less prepared for PSLE, they will only be prepared at the last three month before PSLE started. [/quote]

[tamarind]

lizawa:

Our school's principal advises us against doing any preparation for the GEP tests. Main reason is that, should the kids be selected, not because of his/her own \"giftedness\", then, he / she will suffer in the program.

I agree !

chamonix:

If a P3 kid can finish P6 syllabus effortlessly, then he/she must be exceptionally gifted.

It is possible for a P3 kid who is not exceptionally gifted, but quite clever, to be taught to finish P6 syllabus. It is not that difficult. There are parents who hot house their kids, making them do tons of worksheets everyday. Many parents are sending their kids to Kumon, where they do such cramming.

I know this because I can teach my almost 4 year old boy, who is average, to read english books of about 100 words a page on his own. No drilling, only about 15 minutes of consistent practice everyday. He only learns 2 new words a day. It is all about how much parents teach the kids. But then again, I am not going to do the cramming when they are in primary school.

gifted:

It is true that they are less prepared for PSLE, they will only be prepared at the last three month before PSLE started.

This is quite worrying to me. I think they expect the parents to prepare the kids at home. It definitely will add on to the stress.

[metz]

tamarind:

It is possible for a P3 kid who is not exceptionally gifted, but quite clever, to be taught to finish P6 syllabus. It is not that difficult. There are parents who hot house their kids, making them do tons of worksheets everyday. Many parents are sending their kids to Kumon, where they do such cramming.

I know this because I can teach my almost 4 year old boy, who is average, to read english books of about 100 words a page on his own. No drilling, only about 15 minutes of consistent practice everyday. He only learns 2 new words a day. It is all about how much parents teach the kids. But then again, I am not going to do the cramming when they are in primary school.

Different people will have different views on this. I am not sure a quite clever P3 kid can be drilled to score distinctions in PSLE without breaking down. If it's possible, I think the kid should be more than just \"quite clever\".

Many younger kids have been taught to read by the flashing cards method (no flashcards for me though). Most kids learn well through consistency and repetition. It's great that your consistent effort and patience has paid off

For my gal, I have not taught her consistently or religiously. Been pretty relaxed with her. But she can read quite well by the age of 3. At 3 yr 2 mth old, she found the confidence to complete a 64 pages book (No Monsters For Me) by herself in one seating.

[tamarind]

chamonix,

Many kids in Kumon are doing levels higher than their age should be doing. I doubt that there are so many gifted kids there. There are parents out there who do push their kids near breakdown.

Your girl is definitely way above average