Choose Secondary school for 2010

[Dharma]

atutor2001:

Dharma:

Hi atutor2001,

Your standards and expectations very high leh. To me, 270 to 272 is excellent regardless of top student score of 280 to 285.

Hi Dharma

You get me wrong. I was only trying to give Vikaesh an idea of the T-score a child actually get with 4 A* relative to the Top score in that year.

Vikaesh was trying to estimate his T-score with certain estimated raw score. For T-score estimation, we need to relate it to the Top score in that year. That is why I highlighted the Top scores of those years where the 4 A* get about 270.

So if the Top score this year is 290, then I expect a child with 4 A* will also get higher T-score than other years, which is why I think the cut-off point of RI will also go up this year. The scores given are for making estimation based on past actual data, not for judging whether is 270 good enough.

Thanks for the clarification, atutor2001. I made my comments with reference to your statement ...\"Their T-scores are in the range of 270 to 272 only.\"

[Dharma]

turquoise:

Hi chengsmummy, are there 3 or 4 GEP/high scorer classes? I thought there were 4. Thanks.

Hi turquoise,

There should be at least 4 such classes. These classes consist of GEP/high scorers in PSLE/those who got in thru DSA (with exception of Sports DSA). In Sec 1, the girls are allocated based on MEP/SAP/MT(Tamil & Malay). Those doing MEP/SAP grouped together in 1 class and similarly for MT.

[CrazyDad]

turquoise:

chengsmummy:

[quote=\"CrazyDad

Add to that, another 49% of student will have T-score from 266 to 270. So in total, for RI, 99% of students has T-Score range from 263 to 270

In RGS sec1 this year, there are total 13 classes, 3 out of this 13 classes are consists of high scorers and GEP pupils. I think the percentage of students have 270 above is much higher than 1%. My dd got all A* for her last year's PSLE, her T-score is slightly below 270.

Hi chengsmummy, are there 3 or 4 GEP/high scorer classes? I thought there were 4. Thanks.[/quote]

Do agree with you that there are more 271 and 272 in RGS. I did the estimation base on RI. Now if we look at the top 4 statistics as followed;

School - Lowest score - Medium - Mean
RGS----- 263------------ 268------ 269
RI------- 262------------ 267------- 267
HCI------ 259----------- 263 -------265
NYGH---- 263------------266--------267

We can see that girl has better result than boy. For RGS, since medim is 268 and mean is higher by one point, indicate that about 49% of students have score range from 268 to 272.

So you are correct. :lol:

[CrazyDad]

atutor2001:

Dharma:

Hi atutor2001,

Your standards and expectations very high leh. To me, 270 to 272 is excellent regardless of top student score of 280 to 285.

Hi Dharma

You get me wrong. I was only trying to give Vikaesh an idea of the T-score a child actually get with 4 A* relative to the Top score in that year.

Vikaesh was trying to estimate his T-score with certain estimated raw score. For T-score estimation, we need to relate it to the Top score in that year. That is why I highlighted the Top scores of those years where the 4 A* get about 270.

So if the Top score this year is 290, then I expect a child with 4 A* will also get higher T-score than other years, which is why I think the cut-off point of RI will also go up this year. The scores given are for making estimation based on past actual data, not for judging whether is 270 good enough.

Actually different combination of subjects have different full scores, estimated as followed;

Combo----------Full Marks
M+S+EL+CL----296
M+S+EL+TL-----303
M+S+EL+ML-----309

So grouping in classes base on T score alone is sort of bias.

[atutor2001]

Dharma:

Thanks for the clarification, atutor2001. I made my comments with reference to your statement ...\"Their T-scores are in the range of 270 to 272 only.\"

Thanks for highlighting the \"source\" of the misunderstanding. The word \"only\" was intended to highlight that despite getting 4 A*, which to me is already very high (above 91), the marks will translate to \"only\" a T-score of 270. (Vikaesh was making a T-score estimate of 283 - which means the parameters used for the estimation are not accurate). However, probably most people have read my statement as to mean \"the T-score is only 270\".

Will be more careful with my words in future postings. :oops:

[turquoise]

Dharma:

turquoise:

Hi chengsmummy, are there 3 or 4 GEP/high scorer classes? I thought there were 4. Thanks.

Hi turquoise,

There should be at least 4 such classes. These classes consist of GEP/high scorers in PSLE/those who got in thru DSA (with exception of Sports DSA). In Sec 1, the girls are allocated based on MEP/SAP/MT(Tamil & Malay). Those doing MEP/SAP grouped together in 1 classes and similarly for MT.

Thanks Dharma. Just to clarify, by SAP do you mean girls from SAP schools are grouped together, or those who did HCL in P6, or those who are doing HCL in S1? Thanks.

[Dharma]

turquoise:

Dharma:

[quote=\"turquoise\"]Hi chengsmummy, are there 3 or 4 GEP/high scorer classes? I thought there were 4. Thanks.

Hi turquoise,

There should be at least 4 such classes. These classes consist of GEP/high scorers in PSLE/those who got in thru DSA (with exception of Sports DSA). In Sec 1, the girls are allocated based on MEP/SAP/MT(Tamil & Malay). Those doing MEP/SAP grouped together in 1 classes and similarly for MT.

Thanks Dharma. Just to clarify, by SAP do you mean girls from SAP schools are grouped together, or those who did HCL in P6, or those who are doing HCL in S1? Thanks.[/quote]Sorry turquoise, SAP stands for Special Art Programme and MEP stands for Music Elective Programme.

[turquoise]

Dharma:

turquoise:

[quote=\"Dharma\"]
Hi turquoise,

There should be at least 4 such classes. These classes consist of GEP/high scorers in PSLE/those who got in thru DSA (with exception of Sports DSA). In Sec 1, the girls are allocated based on MEP/SAP/MT(Tamil & Malay). Those doing MEP/SAP grouped together in 1 classes and similarly for MT.

Thanks Dharma. Just to clarify, by SAP do you mean girls from SAP schools are grouped together, or those who did HCL in P6, or those who are doing HCL in S1? Thanks.

Sorry turquoise, SAP stands for Special Art Programme and MEP stands for Music Elective Programme.[/quote]haha! Thanks Dharma. I thought SAP was Special Assistance Plan.

[chengsmummy]

red rose:

chengsmummy:

[quote=\"CrazyDad

Add to that, another 49% of student will have T-score from 266 to 270. So in total, for RI, 99% of students has T-Score range from 263 to 270

In RGS sec1 this year, there are total 13 classes, 3 out of this 13 classes are consists of high scorers and GEP pupils. I think the percentage of students have 270 above is much higher than 1%. My dd got all A* for her last year's PSLE, her T-score is slightly below 270.

Just curious. If you don't mind me asking, chengsmummy, is your dd in 1 of the 3 top classes? :D[/quote]
She is not in th top 4 classes. Sorry I counted wrongly, the last 4 classes are the top classes.

[red rose]

Dharma:

turquoise:

Hi chengsmummy, are there 3 or 4 GEP/high scorer classes? I thought there were 4. Thanks.

Hi turquoise,

There should be at least 4 such classes. These classes consist of GEP/high scorers in PSLE/those who got in thru DSA (with exception of Sports DSA). In Sec 1, the girls are allocated based on MEP/SAP/MT(Tamil & Malay). Those doing MEP/SAP grouped together in 1 class and similarly for MT.

Hi Dharma,

Just wondering about the Sec 1 GEP classes. Are the GEP girls who take MEP/SAP/MT also put in separate GEP classes or are they ranked/placed in classes according to their PSLE scores, which is what I've heard. Thank you!