Asia spending billions on tutors: study
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Busymom:
:hi5: :celebrate:
:hi5: I miss those days too.schweppes:
I remember those days in ksp, firefly38. The teasings and the hippo and l-o-n-g l-o-n-g giraffe necks inside jokes. Any side swipes were all made in good fun. And whilst I was never active in those threads, I was reading and laughing and learning from the posts and sharing.
VK, jtoh, intermezzo... were very generous and selfless in their sharing and encouragement. Tere were a lot more support and encouragement and motivation for each other and our kids. More positive energy then.
I find that negativity breeds toxicity. Is that necessary? Maybe I'm naive in my thinking. But our kids are what we are.
I apologise if my post has offended. It's not my intention and not directed at anyone. But sharing as it is from someone who has grown with ksp over the past 3 years.
The negativity in some threads... also make me want to :siam:
Life as it is, already tough. We don't need more from the cyberspace.
:grphug: to all others who feel so too :love:
I guess pretty soon.....we may realised that these old-timers are slowly disappearing from the KSP scene......
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ksi:
Just to clarify, I am writing this with reference to tuition centres because we were comparing school versus tuition centre in moonlighting scenario, not about sharing across schools when Sun_2010 shared about the materials. In line with what limlim has mentioned, when used in tuition centres, it is for personal gains. So our understanding has been consistent.[/quote]I guess I misunderstood then. :imsorry:Busymom:
Limlim
This is what you may have overlooked.
[quote=\"ksi\"]
This is only one area, there could be more and Sun_2010 has mentioned about materials designed which should rightfully belong to the school. Also, how is MOE or school going to track if a teacher is teaching their own students or not? It is again an issue of span of control. In any case, this moonlight issue in the commercial world is clearly spelt out in the hiring contract for most large companies with protection over intellectual property rights and their customer base. -
Lilac66:
I read that too :hi5: :rahrah: :rahrah: :rahrah: :rahrah:
Autumnbronze, rest assured that alot of parents here know there are alot of dedicated teachers , and you are one of them like I mentioned. How many teachers will do a one-on-one with the students before exam just because they requested it. (See I remember that post). I believe you are a very gentle parent and forumner but I also know you reacted that way because this is something very close to your heart and having through alot of pain. I'm just afraid this may have clouded your judgment and you may have read more into some posts more than intended.
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Busymom:
Maybe, chief would ban some of us here who are \"not-so-contented\"..
:hi5: I miss those days too.
The negativity in some threads... also make me want to :siam:
Life as it is, already tough. We don't need more from the cyberspace.
Then, you can have all the peace you want and everyone so happy and contented.. and KSP is all flower blooming and nice smell all around..
If KSP choose to be detached from reality..
it's the admin's call..
:evil:
Oops.. 3 yrs ago is before I join.. I may be 1 bad apple that pollute the air here.. -
BeContented:
:hi5: :celebrate:
:hi5: I miss those days too.Busymom:
[quote=\"schweppes\"]
I remember those days in ksp, firefly38. The teasings and the hippo and l-o-n-g l-o-n-g giraffe necks inside jokes. Any side swipes were all made in good fun. And whilst I was never active in those threads, I was reading and laughing and learning from the posts and sharing.
VK, jtoh, intermezzo... were very generous and selfless in their sharing and encouragement. Tere were a lot more support and encouragement and motivation for each other and our kids. More positive energy then.
I find that negativity breeds toxicity. Is that necessary? Maybe I'm naive in my thinking. But our kids are what we are.
I apologise if my post has offended. It's not my intention and not directed at anyone. But sharing as it is from someone who has grown with ksp over the past 3 years.
The negativity in some threads... also make me want to :siam:
Life as it is, already tough. We don't need more from the cyberspace.
:grphug: to all others who feel so too :love:
I guess pretty soon.....we may realised that these old-timers are slowly disappearing from the KSP scene......[/quote]I remember during those few days to the release of the PSLE results, we (moms) were discussing about going for facials (mud baths for THE hippo) & massages.. making appointments to perm, highlight & SET our hair as high as Bart Simpsons' mom's.. buying new dresses and matching shoes & handbags.. all just in case our DS/DD could be the TOP PSLE student and reporters would take our photos and we would appear on the national newspapers mah.. 
:rotflmao:
Of course, we were all kidding and pulling one another's legs at that time.. but our teasings came true, when one of our ksp moms' (Ms Tay) DS came in as the TOP student in his primary school.. :rahrah: -
limlim:
:celebrate: Aiyo, old and blur already. The truncated post I mentioned earlier was from another thread, not this one. So maybe Autumnbronze didn't mean that post? Anyway, I'll make my exit from these 2 threads liao, scared of new crossfire. Oxyleo, your crystal ball's prediction was spot on!
I read that too :hi5: :rahrah: :rahrah: :rahrah: :rahrah:Lilac66:
Autumnbronze, rest assured that alot of parents here know there are alot of dedicated teachers , and you are one of them like I mentioned. How many teachers will do a one-on-one with the students before exam just because they requested it. (See I remember that post). I believe you are a very gentle parent and forumner but I also know you reacted that way because this is something very close to your heart and having through alot of pain. I'm just afraid this may have clouded your judgment and you may have read more into some posts more than intended.
:snuggles: :hugs:
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Autumnbronzee sista.. you definitely didn't read too much into the posts. There are blatant insidious side swipes taking digs at those whom they thought do not share similar pain or views and uncalled for but hey what do I know. I love teachers not just cause I know you and I and many many others are darn good ones who are passionate abt what we do, but many parents have had trouble reflecting on various contributing factors and possible underlying issues which could directly or indirectly reflect upon what their expectations are vs what the child is capable of. In pushing for best potentials there indeed are parents who cannot discern between pushing for the good and acceptance of what a child has tried to maximize. I've had turned away a handful of parents who had children who were way too advanced already even before the interest to be under my coaching. Never once have we discredited more can be done with the organization of how things are run and neither have we declined doable ideas if really at all they were for pure intent. The human industry is as such that there WILL be delivery variance whether or not there are things in place as it is only human to be different. Not prototype robot cut n moulded from the same steel. This is not exclusive to the teaching profession alone.
I was going to share in detail how we rose above adversity my kids and I with our personal experiences with bad teacher bullies and tutors but I suppose now my pain may be seen as less painful as others though my child has failed too but since it didn't kill us, it only made us stronger and came out better enlightened thru the process of coming out still alive tho breathless but yet still scathed nevertheless.
Rest my sista, these petty nuances are not as important as getting well quickly to care for your family. Concentrate on getting well. Hopefully by the time you are better all this are just painful memories left behind.. making way for fresh, new & ideally more positive ones for us to genuinely share and learn.
:hugs:
We've had too many good ppl leaving. I had personal notes from a couple of them to tell me personally how dismayed they were with how this place has slowly changed. If you guys are reading this, just to letcha know your sharings and presence have been greatly missed. :grphug: -
BeContented:
Hi,autumnbronze:
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On a separate note, it is becoming very pain(ful) to read the postings here. And I apologize first now if this is going to be harsh. But I will be speaking from my heart. I am doubting the extent of the 'pain' that those
have gone through. The alternative camp here has only tried to seek to clarify and provide, well, an alternative view. For those who claim that we are not civilized in our postings, well my FIL always admonishes my son that \"remember boy, for one finger pointing at others, there are four fingers pointing back at you\".
Hi Autumnbronze, what you have mentioned gel with my feelings too. It was a joy to read most threads in KSP in the past (even tho I have only joined less that 2 years, but the 'pain' is getting a little overbearing for me too.
For myself, if I have adopted an unfriendly tone, I have explained why in
my previous post. However, seems to me that limlim's camp time and again take offense in what the alternative group have to say and choose to
read what they want to read, to the point of truncating certain statements in their replies. The latest posts that I have just read, the subtle or not so
subtle nuances towards the alternative group shocked me. Now who is stoking the fire huh?? Haiz, it's so clear that ONLY their views hold water, only THEY have experienced the pain, ONLY they are victims of bad teachers. Well, life is full of choices!!! You make your life out the way you
want it to be. Not happy with the sch, nothing being done by MOE or the sch after feedback, then transfer out if you want immediate changes to be
put in effect, as someone aptly put it.
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I have personally gone through so much PAIN in life during my younger days that which has shaped me the way I am now. I have my PRIORITIES in check. and I choose to see the good in life. Nothing wrong in that. Perhaps that's why I am at peace with myself.
Good for you :love:
I feel for you. I feel for you because there is so much bitterness in your
posts. And as someone put it in another thread, this is only Pri education.
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Bitterness & a little ugly sometimes..... :sad:
This is an open forum, lest someone comes in and blasts me for my post.
Please bear that in mind. And I am certainly not off topic. There are underlying messages. But then again, perhaps one is in too much pain to read them. If you do not agree with me, I am fine with that. If you choose to respond to this post. I won't be replying. It's my last in here. So you can say \"good riddance to this poster\" under your breath or if
it makes you feel better, aloud then.
Where are the mods anyway??? Seriously CKS, you should reinstate those
who have 'resigned' from the posts because when they were around, the forum was so much more civil. But I guess views from ole timers like me don't matter much anymore .....
Sorry to hear that you have decided to stop replying cos' I do think your posts have often provide a very balanced view....like some others. But guess I kinda understand how you feel cos' I too, feeling tired. Dun think I will last much longer either.....
Peace within ourselves :love:
Do not be afraid to be :heresmyfish: :pokeeye: .
Just speak out what you feel. If not, what is this forum for?
I have been :heresmyfish: :pokeeye: before in ksparents. Many attack me one. But I just :siam: for a while and come back sometime later.
This is because sometimes there is something that I feel like and need to voice out and this voicing out can help someone somewhere feels better.
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Lilac66 - are u taking cover now? :gloomy:
What did we do??? Or what did I do? Was it me? Or was it someone else.... Something else?...
Sometimes in life, some things are imminent. Human after all.
For all those that are upset and writhing in pain from the ugly display of human nature, thanks for sharing your feelings. There's no right or wrong - it's how you feel. And it's good you share it.
For all those that have hurled words of scorn and meanness at others, or even stoked the flames of fire :oops: (oh my, I'm now classified in a similar camp as, hey look - similarity ), nobody is really gonna believe us anyway if we say that it was unintended. And maybe we will even be unapologetic, even produce satisfactory grounds, for good reason, for the positions taken.
Now we know why some islands under dispute remain so for a long, long time, to the extent that it can even cause an unprecedented stall in the latest ASEAN meeting communique.
So.....
I'm sorry to hear some saying they will not post here anymore. Since you've shared, it is only fair that I share that I WILL continue. (Cringe! Grimace!)
To me, this represents freedom of speech. Freedom of expression. it's actually a cause for celebration! :celebrate:
As much as someone demands civility in a forum, they don't necessarily get it. Nope, sorry. No gag orders.
As much as someone demands more peaceful sharings and less animosity, they don't necessarily get it either. Cos, nope, sorry, no gag orders.
I'm sure we can pick up the pieces, and continue our discussion on the phenomenon. Can't we?
You see, there is
-Who : Who caused the phenomenon? I think we are stuck here. And then war broke out.
-What : what caused it? Quite similar the above, cos we touched on systems, KPIs, kiasu ism
- How : how did we get to this stage?
-When : when did it start really and for how long more will it last?
-Why : why is it important to discuss this phenomenon ie the effects, both positive and negative for our children, families, the next generation, society at large.
We all have a different threshold for pain, shame, and different values towards self-gain, and different perspectives on society vs self.
Why don't we leave everyone as they are, and have a meaningful subject matter discussion?
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