Chinese pupils lost out in PSLE MT Exam
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Cannot blame ft for our problem in mt lah.
I know ftβs dd even had to go for mt tuition coz born n bred here like us.
Our mt problem long exists even before ft has arrived.
My 2c -
Truth Hurts:
do you prefer all local MT teacher to teach low standard language to your kids and examine at a lower standard ? score well nationally in exam and when go to China still cannot communicate properly, what for ? is a disgrace isn't when can't even string a coherent sentence together ?Before I begin, please note I am not bashing FT here. Nor am I saying that our local MT teachers do not have the standard of our China born MT Teachers. I am merely stating my observation.
My observation
1) MOE has employed many Chinese MT teachers from China. When they invilgilate the oral exams and mark your child's scripts, their expectations are much higher. Thus making it harder for our local children to score well for Chinese MT. Is this fair for children taking Chinese MT?
2) Is the same process applied by MOE in recruiting FTs to teach Malay MT or Tamil? I don't think so.
Your views on the matter? Thanks
but you are exactly right, the truth hurts! -
I am just stating my views, do not hatam me
If other singapore kids can get A/A* for CL2 and Merit/Distinction for CL1, I don't think the nationality of the markers make a different.
Instead, I will be asking myself why my kids/nephews/nieces cannot achieve the same grade as those who can make it.
Unless someone can prove to me that majority of Singapore kids are getting C or D or E for CL2, then I don't see any issues of having more China born MT Teachers.
Instead, I will be more than happy if my kids/nephews/nieces are taught by China born MT Teachers ! One of my nieces is taught by a Chinese born teacher in P5 and P6, and he really helps to build her strong foundation in the language. Throughout her 4 years in Sec school, she is one of the rare few Singapore born students to pass HCL, only lose to the China scholars in her school. Most of her Singapore born classmates fail HCL frequently and has to drop HCL to normal CL !
Why not look at things positively and take the opportunity to learn from whatever resources we have? -
koguma:
:goodpost:I am just stating my views, do not hatam me
If other singapore kids can get A/A* for CL2 and Merit/Distinction for CL1, I don't think the nationality of the markers make a different.
Instead, I will be asking myself why my kids/nephews/nieces cannot achieve the same grade as those who can make it.
Unless someone can prove to me that majority of Singapore kids are getting C or D or E for CL2, then I don't see any issues of having more China born MT Teachers.
Instead, I will be more than happy if my kids/nephews/nieces are taught by China born MT Teachers ! One of my nieces is taught by a Chinese born teacher in P5 and P6, and he really helps to build her strong foundation in the language. Throughout her 4 years in Sec school, she is one of the rare few Singapore born students to pass HCL, only lose to the China scholars in her school. Most of her Singapore born classmates fail HCL frequently and has to drop HCL to normal CL !
Why not look at things positively and take the opportunity to learn from whatever resources we have? -
I know that there are students who cannot understand their FT Chinese teachers because of their "slang". Whether FT Chinese teachers affect the results, yet to find out.
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koguma:
I am just stating my views, do not hatam me
If other singapore kids can get A/A* for CL2 and Merit/Distinction for CL1, I don't think the nationality of the markers make a different.
Instead, I will be asking myself why my kids/nephews/nieces cannot achieve the same grade as those who can make it.
Unless someone can prove to me that majority of Singapore kids are getting C or D or E for CL2, then I don't see any issues of having more China born MT Teachers.
Instead, I will be more than happy if my kids/nephews/nieces are taught by China born MT Teachers ! One of my nieces is taught by a Chinese born teacher in P5 and P6, and he really helps to build her strong foundation in the language. Throughout her 4 years in Sec school, she is one of the rare few Singapore born students to pass HCL, only lose to the China scholars in her school. Most of her Singapore born classmates fail HCL frequently and has to drop HCL to normal CL !
Why not look at things positively and take the opportunity to learn from whatever resources we have?
Agree! ζη«δΊζζθΏζ₯γ
Although it is alw easier to blame others for a problem. -
My son's tutor is not local...but she has been staying here for many years...so she speaks rather clear.
Son has been taught by china-born tutors since K2...and he has a foundation in Chinese. Although he didn't score A*, he got an A which is unbelievable :scratchhead: -
My Dd got an A for CL and merit for HCL which is understandable. But one thing I don't understand is why most of my Dd's friends only get 'A' for CL but not A* for CL and yet a Distinction for HCL :scratchhead:
HCL supposed to be more difficult to achieve than CL but majority able to get Distinction for HCL but not A* for CL. -
Truth Hurts:
Let me clarify...no intent to bash our local teachers here nor FTs.
Imagine your child is tested by 2 Chinese MT teachers. 1) One is China-born and the other local. I can say the expectations are higher if he is to do well for his exam. 2) Another child who takes Malay MT is tested by local born Malay MT teachers. They are both marked according to the same rubrics for oral. All things being equal, I will really be worried for the Chinese pupil in this case.
i am a local ex-CL teacher who had been oral invigilator and marker for PSLE for many years.
some things to clarify here:
1) when teachers grade students during oral they follow strictly to the marking rubrics. the final grades given to students is an average of the 2 different marks given by the 2 different markers.. by experience..the marks seldom differ by more than 3 marks. meaning even if the \"expectations\" of the 2 testers differ (which seldom is the case when marks are allocated based on the rubrics) the difference will always almost balance out.
2) when teachers mark paper 2 scripts during PSLE they follow strictly to the marking scheme set by SEAB... teachers are paired up during the marking and they marked specific questions for all the papers sent to the marking centre.... meaning your child's papers are marked by many many many many different teachers (local and PR)..... marks for every question is an average of the two teachers marking that specific question..
3) when teachers mark compo scripts, there is also 2 different markers for each script.. they also mark according to rubrics... in cases when the markers' marks differ too much... a 3rd marker who is the chef marker (mostly exp local senior teachers) will step in to do the decision making..
each child's papers goes through many many teachers' hands to make sure that errors are almost non-existence... before the raw scores are sent to SEAB to generate the T-score...
i personally think that the marking system during PSLE marking is very fair to each and every student.
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